dude u have no idea what ur talkin about he took hapkido. ur just a wannabe fag who cant fight and talks shit on the computer

hey i do martial arts. a lot of ppl here are movie freaks(like you).and no i dont kno a little kung foo or a little karate i do tae-kwon-do and a little? no son im a black tip red belt u little punk. u dont kno anything wut r u even doin in this site. if u dont kno steven segal sucks ur an idiot. and even if its true wut u said about him doin karate and judo it dont matter because both of those martial arts suck anyway. judo all there is, is flipping and karate is like a bunch of freekin robots who scream at the top of there lungs

First of all steve seagal is a 7th dan Aikido get your facts straight. And second of all great you do tea kwon do but the martial art doesn't work. What are you gonne do when you're in a club fight tell the guy wait i step a meter back and give you a kick. Don't follow me i need the distance.

no, ur an idiot. tae-kwon-do is 70% legs not 100%- u still use ur hands. and you dont need that much space 2 through a quick kick.o let me guess..ur 30 years old and u still live with ur mom watching steven segal movies all day because u cant get a job. i didnt post this convo. for a fight.and i kno not every1 has the same opinion- i just wanted 2 c how many ppl like him or dont

who gives a shit wut art he does- he sucks!

actually I'm 18 and practices aikido for 4 years and i practice wing tsun. But it is very cool those hand technieks but they don't work. Please quit tea kwon do and go practice a real art.

is aikido an olympic sport? no. and actualy, tae-kwon-do has some aikido in it and yeah the hand technieks work. and some of them are aikido so if the tae-kwon-do hand technieks dont work..niether do the aikido technieks

Bruce said no art sucks, only those using it who haven't trained hard enough! Bruce used some TKD kicks taught to him by Jhoon Rhee and found them very effective. As to Steven he dose suck now because he suffered a leg injury, that is why he dosen't kick much, before the injury he was good!
Punk Out!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jhoon Rhee is the father of tae-kwon-do. bruce trained with him

Lee did not use any TKD kicks without modification. He did not see the kicks as a whole as effective, but rather aspects of them. He combined them with other kicks to make JKD kicks.

Steven is not intirley shit but most people dont like him because he doesn't do any flips or kicks, he just decks people without trying and not much strength is involved in it. I personally don't like aikido but it doesn't mean it is shit, i think it is highly unfare and unreasonable to badmouth anothers art without firsthand experience, also i would like to tell you all that martial artists use what looks good camera and not the real stuff so keep that in mind.

he aint shit i like his style, obviously a good martial artist has great performance all round, you must have great kicks, punches, jabs, locks, throws, and whatever else you can think of (I also train my shoulders for barging and head for butting). anyway to the dick who started this thread, fine whatever you do tae kwon do but you fail to realise noone really cares, especially not if you go chatting shit about other peoples styles, if it helps you to defend yourself, then so what. I'll admit Judo doesn't encompass as much of body use as it should and the moves are fairly robotic but the concept is incredibley useful, using your opponents weight against him. and karate aint just robots jumping around screaming (bye the way if your going to call a kettle black, check your own colour) it is a prettyt integral way of fighting, encompassing the use of most body parts, obviously there is always room for improvement but so what. dont bitch about other peoples abilities and styles to compensate for your own lack of faith in your style.

masters of any martial art are good. if any martial art was not good, i don't think the millions of people who are in that art would be in that art. aikido in my opinion is generally for weaker people or women since it doesn't take a lot of strength. its not the most effective art for fighting, since there isn't really any "brute" force, but i'm sure the masters of it would throw you around pretty good. my friends in tae-kawn-do and his master is the best fighter i've ever seen, so don't say its shit.

steven seagul isn't in the best shape he could be in, but i'm sure he knows a thing or two about martial arts. i reckon hes no bruce or jet, but meh, whatever. he's rich, we aren't. lol

like someone said, no martial art sucks, its the individual, and how hard they train, and how they can make that style adapt to real life situations.

as generations pass, traditonal martial arts are loosing there effectiveness. forms or kata are a thing of the past (in my opinion), standing in a horse stance screaming and punching isn't going to get you anywhere. thats why i chose mixed martial arts. take the best (or most functional) techniques from all martial arts, and there you have it. a complete system.

First off, let's make it clear: I'm not here to argue and will not continue arguing with any certain person here. I have been doing tae kwon do for a year and about 7 months. I am a blue belt, soon to test for the next degree blue. My brother teaches my class, he is a second degree black belt. Since I was a gold belt, which is the first belt earned (in our class) I was sparring every single thursday for a half hour. I am only 150 pounds, 5 foot 7. I was sparring a 270 pound 6 foot 1 guy. My advantage was, he was slower than me. he's probably got a 20% percent lead on actual impact of punches and kicks (even being slow, if he hits you, even blocking, it freakin crushes you.). I have been sparring him every thursday ever since, and now, since i was a green belt, we started sparring very hard, not full contact but about 90%. This reason is for ability to fight as in real life situations. I don't care what art you take, if you never go hard, and take hard shots, you're meat on the street if you can't already scrap pretty good. All I'm trying to say is steven seagul and all other professional martial artists who star in movies, aren't ever going 90% or even 50%, it's all choreographed. IT'S A MOVIE. Imagine if he was actually in a real fight, pissed off, or whatever. I can tell you this guy wouldn't suck. He probably would not get hurt, and he'd probably have to do less than what he does in movies too. Just think about that for a little bit. Imagine him in real life, imagine bruce lee kicking your ass in real life?

yeah, theres a guy in my gym whos 6'4, 270 pounds of solid muscle. i have to sparr with him almost twice a week. i'm tons faster, but if he hits me i go flying. he so strong, its crazy. yesterday we were doing takedowns, and i'm 160 pounds. he just ran picked me up over his head and threw me. everyone was laughing. but yeah, if you never sparr hard, your not going to fight hard in real life.

obviously, we've discussed that bruce lee wouldn't fight like that in real life. his movies, just show is athhletisicm and flexibility. i read somewhere that he strongly believed in ending a fight in under 3 seconds. bruce is the only street fighter among the movie stars anyways.

you make a good point. cause five_animals doesn't think bruce is as good as hes put out to be. he's movies suck, but thats not even how he would fight. i just watched return of the dragon again, and i love when hes training on the balcony and he does that full lat spread pose. then turns around and shows his back. freakin amazing.

steven seagul is a piece of crap. and he never broke bruce lee's arm. where the hell did you hear that? honestly, every word you said is wrong.

Yes, he never broke Bruce's arm... never heard of that. where did you get that info from?
No, Segal is not crap, he's a 7th Dan, to get there is bloody hard as, he knows his stuff, and he can, and will, take care of most people

i don't care if hes a 500th dan, it doesn't mean your a good fighter. i wish i could find that bruce lee quote. steven seagul is nothing special. people only think hes good cause he made movies. heres a quote from bruce.

"Let me give you a bit of warning: just because you get very good at your training it should not go to your head that you are an expert. Remember, actual sparring is the ultimate, and the training is, only a means toward this. Besides running, one should also do exercises for the stomach - sit-ups, leg raises, etc. Too often one of those big-belly masters will tell you that his internal power has sunk to his stomach; he's not kidding, it is sunk and gone! To put it bluntly, he is nothing but fat and ugly."


Steven Seagul is fat and ugly. haha

first of all, bruce lee is atleast 30 years older then seagal. what you said was pathetic. and if you never used judo in combat, then you wouldnt know its good. ive seen judo in real combat once, and i have to tell ya. it does kinda suck.

there are way to many mistakes, and the moves are always screwing up and not looking like there supposed to. im pretty sure that a super fast kicker such as bruce lee can beat aikido and judo. speed is what counts, not srength. i dont care if you can throw me 5 feet back, lets see if you can catch this kick first.

I have heard a story that Steven Seagal broke the arm of Jackie Chan, but do not know if it is through.

It doesn't matter if someone is a really good kicker, such as bruce, against aikido, but if its a really good kicker vs. a really good aikido master, Segal, then its going to be more evan. Even a fast kick is easy enough to defend against if not set up first, bruce will have to set it up. and by that time segal may very well have countered the set up.
Just because someone has a big belly doesn't mean they can't fight, thats stupid.
Judo now days has become softer, coz they want mroe students, so they make it easier and such. Judo 40 years ago would mess most people up. it was a hard as style and when used in combat they messed people up. but with todays laws, and people wanting to earn money, things are being destroyed.

True, being a 7th dan doesn't mean you can fight. But Bruce never entered a competition outside of dancing, a comp where he actually had to fight. why? coz there were rules. then people say he won street fights, many street fights. Who gives a shit, when your allowed to grab balls (which bruce liked the idea since he didn't enter comps) anyone can win.
Any stooge can win a street fight.
Segal is a Master. Just because he's not a steriotypical master that is portrayed in movies doesn't mean he's a shit martial artist. fucken 7th dan, it's an achievment. With his 40 odd years of martial arts he will know how to handle himself, even against people such as bruce.

the thing with the big belly. even bruce lee said "if your not in shape and your not fit, dont even think about going up against me. im pretty sure bruce lee can beat aikido pretty quick. the reason i think that is because bruce studied it. hes studied every martial art there was. thats what made him so good. he basically knew what he can do before he ever faught anyone.

if you dont take care of your self, how do you expect to take care of anyone else. you need a really good upper body strength to do aikido. that would be bullshit if he was able to do any of that. your speed can stay, and so can the strength in your arms, but not in your upper body.

bruce was fed up with rules. all he ment is that your not going to use rules in a street fight are you? no, your not. so you might as well grab him by the balls. and thats unless all else fails. like a super huge buff guy that never gets hurt from punches. ive been in fights with guys like that, and the only way to get through them is by kicking him in his nuts.

im pretty sure seagal knows it himself. he cant beat bruce lee. all martial artists should know that they cant beat bruce. bruce did such intense workouts, that he would put an olympic jimnist to shame. and thats already prooven. he worked out for 5 hours a day, doing inrcredible things. ive tried that sometimes, and i try his workouts, i sucked at them. but i thought that if i do this every day, then ill get better. the next day i didnt want to continue at all. it takes a strong potential to go on with that. and if you have a strong potential your destined to win.

besides, the only thing, that ever beat him was claimed to be a black ghost or shadow figure, wich choked him while he was trying to sleep. im pretty sure seagal cant match up to that ghost. some of the ppl bruce beat were a thousand times better then seagal.

i dont believe in all that setting up crap. you follow but it screws you. fighting shouldnt be a game of chess. you have to be free. i believe that if he comes close enough then BAM! you just have to think quickly and that is all. if its not a kick then it can obviously be an elbo or punch. i had ppl say to me, "but what if hes not far enough" then ill do something else. duh! see look at ppls minds through rules.

how are you doin ontite? i've been gone for a while so i haven't been able to comment. still debatin huh, lol. now on the seagal/bruce issue: it's true seagal is an accomplished martial artist. 7th dan, black belt, etc, whatever. to say he'd have a chance against bruce lee isn't very realistic though. as far as bruce having to set up a kick or whatever that's not true. whatever seagal would do bruce would know how to adapt to it. that's pretty much what jeet kune do is about. bruce lee wasn't just a good kicker either. he had the whole package. matter of fact, he didn't even start using "high" kicks until he started training/teaching chuck norris. in wing chun there are no kicks to the head. bruce was about as good with his hands as anybody in the world. feet too. and bruce did actually compete in official and unofficial fights. look at his biography on imbd or just read a biography about him. i'm sure ontite knows this anyway but some others don't.

lol, ill defend bruce against his opponents, even when hes dead. ive been gone for a while also. i just started coming back.

ofcourse i know bruce was good with his legs. but its the legs he would use if the opponents far enough, or if the opponent has really good counters. thats the reason bruce used kicks alot. you have to attack him without breaking your defence, or letting him counter. so your ganna use your legs... to the nearest point of his body :)

and about the street fights.. thats when bruce never knew how to fight for real. he was as good as anyone else on the street. thats experience already. ofcourse seagal had a time where he never knew aikido or whatever. but at that time he probably didnt have as many street fights as bruce. thats why bruce is better. experience really does count. thats why there is sparring.

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anyone who says seagul could beat bruce is a complete retard. bruce would break his face so fast. so would any boxer or thai boxer. seagul is a peice of shit.

look at that video, none of those moves would work ever. not even against a guy on the street. his students aren't resisting at all. he's a fruitcake.

whats he going to do, grab mike tyson's arm and throw him. pfft.

let's not get carried away now. like i said, seagal wouldn't have a chance but he's not a punk either. he is a little fruity though, saying he's the dali llama and stuff like that. he might have some loose screws but he's still a pretty good martial artist.

that did show that aikido was preety efective because of the power. but as you can see, the student actually gave his arm to him. that wouldnt happen in real combat. in a real fight, you will actually punch to hit him. and what if the attack is too fast. then he wont grab it. duH! thats why i dont like aikido, it came to me with common sense. sambo is actually much much more effective. not because of the moves, but because of the training to do the moves. its much better. they do the right stuff. so for anyone doing aikido or judo, id say dont waste your time. do things more efficiently.

power? what power. thats a rehearsed routine, his students know exactly what seagul is going to do to them, so they move with the throw. if i ran with my arm out, he wouldn't be able to do those moves.

its just like the "touchless knockout" by that fag in the states. it only works on his students.. how ridiculous is that. same thing with seagul, it only works on people who know the routine and play stupid useless dummies and act like they're actually being flipped. theres no power, just good acting.

i know hes doing it with the help of his students, but you can see how fast there flipping. im pretty sure seagal can do that to a person in real life... but only if he can grab them first. aikido only works on the moves and stuff. they need to train on there reaction timing, and other stuff like that.

i give aikido 2 out of 5. hmmm, cool, from now on im gonna start rating different kinds of martial arts when they come up.

of course the students know whats going to happen, they are demonstrating their style.
aikido moves do work. I reckon all but the last one would work in the street. the last one would work, just woould flip the person like he did in the video.

also, if your going to rate a martial art, rate it outta 10... better classification

fine then, i give aikido a 2 outa 10. lol. ya, the moves would work on a person, i know that. but, what if he cant catch the guys hand first. hes going to be focusing to hard on grabbing the guys hand, and because of that, he'll get beat. once you forget about everything and focus on doing one thing, you are at your lowest disadvantage. it has to come when it comes. if you see that you somehow got his hand, remember the move quickly and do it. they dont teach them this mental inteligence. they just teach them the move. thats why i dont recommend this art. i say any kung fu, is the best art, because they will teach you how to think before you ever act. same way some ppl should comment things.

In aikido training, they don't just hold each others hands out for them, they actually do punch for them, my master has a black belt in aikido from long ago. and yeah, they train the stuff to be applicable. Its just a differetn way of fighting. just because their not focused on strikes doesn't mean they can't win in a fight. after a while of training, when they see the punch coming for them they will grab without having to think, and go on from there.
If you went and trained aikido, you'd understand.
For other martial artists, punching is a natural part of them, blocking is a natural part of them etc etc, its the same with aikido, they can fight without having to think about each and every single movement they do.

i still dont like it. its way to incomplete, there are lots of styles out there that teach the same things and moves as aikido, but also teach kicks punches and locks. whats the point of aikido when you can do something the same but alot more with it.

Aikido is, like many Japanese styles, only focussed on one aspect of a martial art. Aikido is based on techniques of the ancient Chin-na techniques. This is still trained in many Kung Fu styles. In Aikido you focus on perfection of you walking and absorbing your opponent and then break or lock them. In modern Aikido you only control your opponents. Aikido can be very effective, but then you need to practise a lot and very long, and that is a problem with the modern way of living.

I see everyone ranting and raving about how big of a loser steven seagal is but whats funny is half of you can't even spell his name right....Anyways i am a big steven seagal fan...but i would never sit here and say that he would beat bruce lee in a street fight...for anyone who knows martial arts...bruce lee was the best and will probably always be the best!!...No one could match the quickness or flexibility...however jackie chan has a lot to offer when it comes to martial arts...and i respect him so much more than other martial artists because he is his own stunt devil. But anyways back to Steven...he is a 7th Degree Black Belt Master in Aikido....He has also mastered Kendo, Judo, and he is familiar with Tai Ci....Steven's movies may be trash..but if you get a chance, buy his Aikido video of his younger years while he was in Osaka, Japan training students on Aikido. The guy is bad ass!! He's not just an actor...because frankly he's not that good at it....but he is damn quick with his hands...and he knows how to break a lot of bones...i think steven would shock a lot of people if he were to go to a competition or even a street fight....Research things before you speak like that about someone...it just makes you sound rediculous.....

It's amazing how little sense the above commentor made. But hey, he's probably like 11 or something, so it's not a big deal.

Anyway, I've never really followed any of Seagal's movies. I haven't really followed to many martial arts movies recently, though, but still.
There aren't too many Aikido guys making a name for themselves by kicking ass in real confrontations, so I can possibly assume how well Stevie ol' boy actually fights. Besides, didn't he get beat up by Judo Gene Lebell?


"Research things before you speak like that about someone...it just makes you sound rediculous....."

Murrrrrrrrrr! ..... ..... .....

why do you always criticize ppl's grammer? are you like some kind of nerd english teacher who goes crazy when he sees bad grammer? this isnt a spelling contest.. and why do you always want proof? why dont you do some research yourself. do you have blue eyes and blonde hair? if so, then you can consider yourself an aryan, the supposedly "supreme spieces of human" and if you do consider yourself an aryan, that makes you extremely racist. if you really believe hes 11 then why do you proceed to criticize him and put him down? do you even train in martial arts, or do you just research it cuz your jealos of real martial artsits, maybe cuz you cant do what we do.. if you do do martial arts then "give me proof"...

Onite, little sexist dude, it's not so much an issue of grammar as it is people like Piazza who ridicule people on their spelling and intelligence yet at the same time they have horrible spelling and grammar.

Anyway, you bring up the supreme species of human thingy whatchamafuckit. First off, I don't have blond hair and blue eyes. Second, I'm not a racist; not that that matters, because I can't see anyone I talk too online, dumbass.

Third, I do practice martial arts. If you want to know which, I could post a few sites and tournaments if you want to know what styles I practice.
However, if you remember the pointer's we compared, I would say that you gave alot of crazy, inane techniques( Like Fives Monkey Roll. Lol, peace.). I gave pretty orthodox answers( I DID NOT INVENT THE TERM DOUBLE-LEG SHOT!!!!!!).

What this topic really comes down too: What's the big deal about Steven Seagal and Aikido?


P.S, Onite, I remember you saying something about it being better to not run away from multiple attackers, because you will get tired. Now, think this through: Won't you get tired fighting them just as fast or perhaps faster than if you chose to run away?

feel the tension!!
fair enough steven seagal is decient, well in movies, i dont know of his escapades in the real world.
but i hate him with a passion.
it seems to me that he shows no modesty, and is all yeah look at me
LOSER
no one eat me its just an opinion
i can give some proof of me doing tae kwon do
kicking someone in the head lol

i was reffering to you as an aryan becuz you act supreme to evryone else... it has nothing to do with seeing the person your talking to, whos the dumbass now?

sexist? im going to assume you dont know what that means. where do you see me doing anything sexist? are you a girl? so shut up...

also, to me okay? to me; i wouldnt get as tired if i ran, cuz i try to use a as small amount of energy as i can when i fight multiple ppl. 5 ppl dont scare me, not even 10. when i was 14, after school in the school yard one day, i had 20 ppl chase me for fun. when i realized i couldnt out run them, i got mad. so i turned around and went crazy on them, there ages varied from 13 to i guess 16. i got hit alot, but i kept swinging into the group of ppl. soon, i got out of the mess cuz one of the deans pulled me out. it was friday, and it was supposedly "freshmen friday". i was chosen and i didnt know why they were chasing me. before that, i started working out at 10, so you can imagine alot of my punches hurt. so 5 ppl dont scare me, you should know the comparison between a fit martial artist, and a slousy street fighter. so usually were underestimated.

p.s: if you run your a pussy :P

if an aikido guy supposedly grabs and throws you when you attack or approach: means you should attack faster.

i dont understand some of you, you think that one martial art is better then another becuz of an aspect it uses. you must be the guys that dont train.. cuz if you did then you would know that it isnt that simple.

you guys assume that if 1 guy had a bat, and another was unarmed then the guy with the bat is ganna win. you guys think that the guy with the bat has an advantage (im not reffering to all of you, just some) but the truth is is that the guy with the bat has all the disadvantages. phychologically, he only has one weapon. his thinking is therefor limited to the use of that weapon. and on the other hand, you have your legs, hands, fists, head, etc.. also, skills are put into the situation.

kingo, i recall you saying "a side kick aimed directly to the hand?"
is that not possible, maybe if you train... thats how i know that you dont train, if you did, then you would know that you can hit someones hand. i practice this by kicking things like wood or dolls on a pole.

First off, I'm not trying to act supreme to anyone. I'm arguing with you because I think your martial arts views are flawed and dangerous to yourself.

Heck, if I'm a supremist, THEN YOU ARE TOO, because you're the one who's claiming that you are the better fighter and that you have the better instructor.

"sexist? im going to assume you dont know what that means. where do you see me doing anything sexist? are you a girl? so shut up..."

You said women can't handle heavy weapons, and I'm busting your balls about it.


"also, to me okay? to me; i wouldnt get as tired if i ran, cuz i try to use a as small amount of energy as i can when i fight multiple ppl. "

That directly contradicts what you said on other topic. ( Pointers, remember? Ali vs. Bruce Lee?).

"if an aikido guy supposedly grabs and throws you when you attack or approach: means you should attack faster. "

If you were talking to me, I wasn't referring to that. I have a little first hand experience with Aikido, and I do know that the moves hurt if you let them, but you'd have to be tard to allow it. By the way, I'm not talking to the 10 or 20 guys out in the whole world who actually practice decent Aikido( Smiley Face!)

"you guys assume that if 1 guy had a bat, and another was unarmed then the guy with the bat is ganna win."

Well, generally, yes.

"you guys think that the guy with the bat has an advantage (im not reffering to all of you, just some) but the truth is is that the guy with the bat has all the disadvantages. phychologically, he only has one weapon. his thinking is therefor limited to the use of that weapon. and on the other hand, you have your legs, hands, fists, head, etc.. also, skills are put into the situation. "

Bullshit. If weapons worked like that, than why do we use weapons in the army?

And don't assume that the guy with the bat won't use his limbs to attack his opponent when he has to. The guy with the bat has the bat PLUS his hands, feet, knees, head, fighting skills. It may be true that if the guy loses the bat, there will be an " Oh Shit" reaction, but not while he's holding it.


In basic terms, Onite, you just told us to underestimate a guy with weapon. That's almost as dumb as you saying that bulls are easy to kill and that you can beat 20 something people.



"kingo, i recall you saying "a side kick aimed directly to the hand?"
is that not possible, maybe if you train... thats how i know that you dont train, if you did, then you would know that you can hit someones hand. i practice this by kicking things like wood or dolls on a pole."

It's true that you can hit someone in the hand, even with a straight hitting move like the sidekick. I just don't think it's a good move to disarm a weapon weilding attacker. It requires alot of precision and aiming, and the attacker can merely move his hand out of the way and fire his weapon. Plus, if you actually kick his hand, it might go off.

first of all, i never said that women cant wield heavy weapons.. your probably mistaking me for someone else. retard..

second of all, im not claiming my teacher is better then yours, im claiming that you dont put him into this and shut your mouth up about him. actually, judging by your attitude, i think your trainer needs a kick in the balls.

third of all, you must suck bad.. cuz c'mon, you cant beat a guy with a bat? bats are one of the easy'ist things block. there round just like your arm, and if you were smart, you would know that two round surfaces are inevitable. ive beaten ppl with bats, and no, im not bragging. anyone here with experience would know that its not so hard. there slow and easy to dodge. once the bat is down, it has potential energy.. and it will need to build up some more before the guy can swing again, you can grab the bat after that, and while he concentrates on taking the bat back, you hit him as hard as possible. i speak with experience, its quite obvious, this doesnt come from common sence.

we use weapons in the army so we can kill a person from far and more efficiently.. and i was talking about a bat not guns retard. what comparison is there? none!

fourth of all, just cuz i say weapon doesnt mean its always a gun. its damn well obvious that i was talking about a knife, i think im smarter then to try to kick a gun out of someones hand. we learn how to disarm ppl here. i already gave a seperate example on disarming a gun.

"That directly contradicts what you said on other topic. ( Pointers, remember? Ali vs. Bruce Lee?)."

its called a personality. are you a machine?, cuz really, if i say something twice then that means thats how i express my self.

i realize that you always come back with something to say... how long do you have to think? do you sit there for an hour, thinking of a way to comment back? if so, then your the kind of guy who doesnt like to lose. neither am i, and this will go on forever until someone calls truce, and that damn well wont be me *gives a big smile, and sticks his tongue out*

and i didnt say i beat 20 ppl. i said that i faught back but i didnt win. i was trying to convince you that im not afraid of the ppl infront of me. maybe you are, but not me. especialy when i get real pissed off. its far beyond adrenalins effect. i once had a fight when i was 11 with some pakistan kid that lived in my building. he hit me in my stomach, i bent over and for 2 minutes i was trying to catch my breath. when i picked my head up, he took one glimpse at me and ran like hell. later when we were cool with each other, i asked him why he ran, and he told me that i was all red and i had viens popping out all over my arms.

even though i really respect bruce lees philosiphy, i have to disagree with one thing. him (and many others) claim that anger blinds you. in other words, it makes you weaker. not to me, my whole life, at my strongest point, im angry. i know alot of ppl who can relate. anyone from this site?

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First of all, if i had 20 guys running towards me i would run like hell!! i would be shit scared, and i would have a trail of piss running down my leg...(natural reflex... gotta love them)
i can confidently handle 5 people, it may be mroe by now, but i am still scared when confronted by it. its just whether or not your able to control your emotions and handle the situation. anyone who says that they can confront 20 guys and not be scared is highly egotistical! although, when i get angry i do become better, i become stronger and faster. its a traight of the tiger. and it generally applies to me once i get hit in the face, you can hit me almost anywhere else and i will stay reasonably the same...b ut as soon as you attack the face... imagine the hulk.
there has only been one street/school fight where i havn't been scared at all, and that was against 8, but it was because i was already pissed off before i started them... its a long story for another time

when ever someone has a weapon they always have an advantage. they have something they can attack you with that doesn't hurt them... you punch a guy in the head you hurt your fist, you whack a baseball bat over his head your fine!
if a trained person has a weapon then they are extreamyl dangerous, its only the stooges you like street fights that can have a disadvantage. and it is the reason because they are focused on the weapon, lets keep it with the bat... you grab a hold of the bat, and they are totally focused on getting the bat free, a trained person will take the opportunity to attack you since one of your weapons is preoccupied.
a bat slow and heavy? hell no!!! ever played around with a baseball bat?! they are light, and extreamly tough! they are very dangerous to come up against!!

although women can handle heavy weapons its very rare, simply because they are not physically designed to have the upper body strength to do it!! its like all men are stronger than women, but there are always the exceptions!

i woulnd't want to sidekick a weapon out of someones hand, simply because if i did miss, then i am in a bad situation to do something about it... if its a knife you just keep your distance, if its a gun, you wait for the guy to come to you (this for close range stuff)

usually when a person confronts me with a bat, then its metal. theres also adrenalin rush, you really dont feel pain. and its not just how you react, you also have reflexes. usually i blocks with reflex or becuz im used to it, either way, im still blocking.

oh, last time i was reffering to the weapon as an m16 with a grenade launch attachment and no scope, those are very hard to shot at 300 ft and hit your target. the grenade launch attachment also decreases accuracy... do you think a girl can really shoot that. ok, forget the shooting part; but can they hit the target at 300 feet? you decide

if your ganna try to do a side kick at someones hand, keep your stance so that if you miss you can come back with an instant spin kick. he wont really have time to defend, he'll be either suprised at the attack or he'll consentrate on taking back the advantage, so that he wont be able to defend himself.

To start off, I want to talk about the topic with the story that you posted. For some reason, my computer won't let me respond in that thread. Anyway, I want to let you know that I really meant no harm in that post. Your instructor's story sounded like one of the many things a traditional martial arts instructor might say to their students to keep them from training in different or popular martial arts. And believe me, they do try to stop their students from getting away from them.

Regardless of what I ended, you responded with some sort of childish rant. If I recall, you said that your instructor is better than mine, and that I'm not a real martial artist. I really have nothing to say to that. I just have to tell you one thing though: When I started reading your post, I couldn't keep myself from smiling and thinking " Man, this guy is a fucking faggot."


Anyway, enough with the story and on to the techniques and fighting and stuff.

First off, I'd like everyone to accept Onite's personal stories with a grain of salt. By grain of salt, I mean a healthy dose of skepticism. I'll admit, I don't know if his stories are true or false; In fact, no one does, except himself. So pay attention to the technical arguements between us and everyone else.

To start with the easy stuff: Swimming down to the deep areas of a body of water and enduring the pressure will no make you immune to pain. If it did, why aren't all deep sea divers fighting machines?


Next, I find some of Onite's bat defense silly and oversimplified. You should always take to fighting a weapon wielding attacker with caution. There's a pretty good chance that your attacker won't be a retard waving a stick at you, swinging at you slow enough so you can dodge with ease every time. If he hits you in a limb, you could get badly bruised or get a bone broken. If he hits you in the head, you could get knocked out, or worse.
Now, I will admit that having your weapon taken away from you will probably make you give an " Oh shit" type of reaction. But when a person has the bat in his hand, don't assume him to be a spaz who can't don't anything but take a wide, off-balance swing at you like David Spade in the Benchwarmers. Your attacker is fully capable of using his hands and feet as well as the bat. If your lucky, maybe you'll fight the type of bat wielding attacker that Onite describes. But in general, fight them as how they are: Able bodied humans who happen to have a bat with them. And if possible, escape.


More on, I want to touch upon the multiple attacker issue. To start off, I want to point out that martial artists who train properly are generally better fighters than the " average joe" of about equal weight. However, the assumption of fighting multiple opponents is that the martial artist would be too skilled, to quick, and too smart for a group of slouchy street ruffians to handle.( And perhaps that the martial artist's attitude and emotions will help him prevail.)

But I believe that logic is flawed. For example, let's take a group of several able bodied individuals of varying height and weight. They are all in pretty decent shape, and are perhaps naturally aggresive. All of these people are intent on giving a beating to this one guy, who happens to be a trained martial artist. Maybe the martial artist could beat most of these guys one on one, but in a group it's far more difficult.

When the martial artist trys to make his move on someone, that's when the rest of the group counters and nails him. And let's not pretend that all martial artists are invincibly Bruce Lee quick and can't be surprised. When one of the men gets throws a punch from an angle that the martial artist is not trying to defend, he'll probably get caught. Even if the punch wasn't very hard, it'll still do damage because he would not see it coming; ask any boxer about that.

And, you know, the group can dogpile and surround you. When you're surrounded and the fists start flying, it's much harder to defend. You get thrown or knocked down, and then you get stomped. You also can get dogpiled and pounded on. When you try to out manuevar them and try to pick them off, you still get held or stunned and then the guys rush in. Fighting multiple opponents is not easy.

My friends, I would like you to take my advice. Be smart, and carefull. Avoid fights, especially those that involve multiple opponents and weapons. It's immature and dangerous to pick fights; you could be injured or maybe even killed. Deescalate the situation whenever you can.

A martial artist will probably be better adept to fight several opponents or armed opponents. However, in those situations, your main goals should be to use your skills to escape the conflict rather than defeating the group. Onite, the braggart and pathological liar he is, claims not to be afraid of multiple opponents; I can only assume that he has gotten the crap beaten out of him many times.

i didnt read your whole comment cuz it was long and bull shity.
but if someone has a bat, there most likely not going to kick or punch you. there thinking of the bat. thats the reason they have the bat, so they dont kick or punch you. they think they have the supreme weapon, and are therefor locking them selves up with it. even if they do get the sense to punch, thats why i said as soon as you get a hold of the bat attack him. i never said anything about taking it away. where are your reading skills?
this was all if you were holding the bat. if you werent and he just randomly kicks you, hes an idiot. cuz then he has no balance. but im damn sure that if someone had a bat, they wouldnt go for a kick, cuz just like i just said, they think they have the supreme weapon (supreme weapon out of hands and feet, not knives and guns). there focusing on the bat.
anyone with experience knows this, so i assume you dont have any experience in any of this.

yes, i do get the crap beaten out of me, but it never ends there. like i said before, im not the type that likes to lose. so i keep on going until i win. even if its worth my life, i have a huge ego, and lots of pride in my self. im influenced by many things, so i keep going and going and going.

a diver doesnt feel presure simply becuz he is breathing. i also never made the story up, neither did my master, so dont look at me like i made a false statement.

i dont know why your saying that my master is preventing us from leaving his school. the story never mentioned anything about the guy doing wing chun. i said it once and ill say it again, where the fuck are your reading skills!?

i use a method when i fight various ppl at once. i keep good and estimated distance, and i never look straight at one of them. i always watch with the corner of my eye. this way, it will all be equal and even if im blinded, i wont see one more person then another. ill see equal movements and this is another thing for the list of a road to succes.

i dont lie, i dont have a reason to lie. anyone with experience will know what i talk about and will be able to relate. i dont talk out of randomness and spout out any words. if i did then i probly would have been chased out of this site on my 4th maybe 5th comment. every person has his role and difference in life. think about it.

i dont like to fight, and i never did. im never the one to start a fight. i never hurt someone for absolutaly no reason. if i did then who would i be in life? i would simply be a failure to who i am. and in my belief, i think life is about succes. and im going to try my hardest to succeed in this belief. understand?

i know your feeling when you make and finish a comment. you think, "oh, i cant wait, i just made a super comment, wich is just to extreme for him to come back to" am i not right?, if you disagree then from here youll be the liar, holding back on something you know is true.

Ive been reading this subjectfrom top to bottom, and I find the hissy fight between you and kingof funny..
Overal, you are smarter and making posts that make sense.
some idiots like Kingo dump on the good martial ars and martial artists. most martial artists hold thier coolness and blow the fags of. But some guys like you onite are defenders and really put all the kingos in their places.

Nicce 2 b on this site four the firsdt time its hgonna bee fun.

and welcome to the site. lol

Serious martial artists and Martial Arts movie fans are always welcome to discuss. Greetings and a merry Christmas!

i think Steven knows more than just karate, judo and aikido. i think his also knows and wing chun kung fu and people wing chun is more than just mortal arts not tae kwon do, not judo, not karate. the wing chun kung fu have answers for every kind of mortal art. i appreciate the all mortal arts but i have no words about this stuff because is too good. and you can think what man is steven.

Seagal got his ass kicked by Gene Lebell. And Wing-Chun sucks. You're also a retard.

been a long time since i've been on here... and still no one has learn't anything!
steven segal has been doing martial arts practically his entire life, its 40 years plus... do you seriously think that he would be crap?

I just love these guys who write on forums and tell us how Sensie Segal can't fight. During my life I had the pleasure of training with the late Sensie Shigeru Kimura and Sifu Mark Stewart. They had one thing in common and that was the respect of other MA.

Age and and obvious wieght problem may not have been kind to Sensie Segal but make no mistake he is one of the toughest MA who ever graced a dojo.

I'm new here and the first thing that springs to mind is "who thought this one up" Bruce V Jackie? surely that is some kind of joke and not meant to be taken seriously.

Martial Arts and movies go hand in hand on many occasions with Bruce Lee and Steven Segal standing head and shoulders above the rest in that order. They were the real thing either of which I woudn't say boo to and expect to be standing afterwards.

Jackie I love to watch but he is no MA expert in comaprison. Jet Li was strictly controlled when a young valuable MA representing his country and fighting(Sparring wasn't his thing) There are many others but for pure MA Bruce and SSS stand above all
IMO of course