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Virtual Martial Arts Championship 2009my battle royal i've always wanted to make one, i've just never got around to it. i'm going to list some of my fav. fighters. 1. Bruce Lee- of course he's going to be on here. 2. Andrei Arlovski - Heavyweight champion of the UFC, Sambo and kickboxing master. 3. Rickson Gracie - The best jiu-jitsu fighter af all the Gracie's, maybe the best in the world. 4. Kazushi Sakuraba - The best Japanese Pride fighter. 5. Vanderlei Silva - Muay Thai expert, this guys crazy. 6. Hirokazu Kanazawa - Shihan (10th degree), Traditional Karate Master. 7. Lam Sai Wing- master of Southern Shaolin Hung Gar Kung Fu and a disciple of the legendary Wong Fei Hung. [thats for you five_animals :P] 8. Mike Tyson - devestating punches 9. Masahiko Kimura- 7th dan judo master. 10. Joe Lewis- Voted the "Greatest Karate Fighter of All Time." I made this one pretty hard, because they are all very good fighters. taken, they are alive and in their prime. I'd really like to know what people think. lets just say, they are put into an octagon, and for everyone's sake, you cannot hit to the eyes or balls.
Comment by: five_animals,
Sunday, 1. January 2006, 06:10
hm...
I am not one to know a lot about the UFC fighters, say as much as i know kung-fu fighters... der! but i will do my best...
Bruce i say is out, he may win two or more fights, but up against people from UFC i say he has very little chance. Their size and power over him is too great Andrei Arlovski looks like he'd do well (know nothing about him really) but i feel he may lack power against someone like Tyson or Silva... so for him i say out... i know heavy weight and all... but i don't know anything about him... so i am going mainly by looks... and i think tyson would knock out in time. Rickson Gracie i think would have a very good chance. I have seen a lot of his fights and he makes such a rigid style flow... he roles around like what he is doing is childs play... makes it look effortless. I believe he is the best ju-jitsu fighter in the world... so i say he's in. Kazushi Sakuraba is out. I forget his name (and its really frustrating me coz i want to remember it!!) but there was a UFC fighter from america a few years ago who went to japan and beat everyone, japan's best all fell to him... so simply because of background and teachings (not wanting to be racist) i say he's out... and when i say teachings... if his were alike to the tohers, and an american beat them all... who's to say Andrei Arlovski couldn't do the same as this other guy? Vanderlei Silva looks like you could break bricks over his head and you woulnd't feel it :P:P... Muay Thai is such a tough style to beat, and with his size... if he went all out i'd say he do very well... for him i say in. Hirokazu Kanazawa. I think he may have a chance, we would last a few fights (if it were in proper tournament style) but i don't think he would come up as a winner, so for him its out. Lam Sai Wing- he was a great fighter, but he did lack the full spirit of the tiger, i say the same for kanazawa, he'd last a few fights, but i don't think he will win (and thank you for thinking of me :P) if it were a triad Hung-Gar fighter... i would be putting all my money on him... but its not :P so he's out Mike Tyson. Although not trained to attack with his legs or ground fighting his skills with his hands are very powerful and fast like Bruce. if he were taken to the ground he may be able to thrash around, and lay in some punchs if he could... but if an ankle lock was applied (and since he wouldn't know the counter) he would tap... but still i say He's in. Masahiko Kimura- Like the Kung-Fu and karate, i say he will win a few fights, but won't be in any finals... so he's out Joe Lewis... Greatest karate master... yet i know very little about him :P i will again say he will win a few fights, but cannot compete with a UFC or boxer... they have a lot of endurance... espec the boxers, and i think he just woulnd't be able o keep up So the people who are in are Gracie Silva Tyson I think over all Tyson would fall to either person... so he is now out and we are left with Gracie and Wilva... very tough match... I will put my money on Gracie. Once he gets Sliva to the ground Silva is gone in 5 seconds flat Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.01, 21:25
thats pretty good...
i'd have to agree with you for most of the fighters.
Bruce is my favourite fighter, but i don't think he would last among the heavyweights. its pure gentics and if he got hit by one of them, he'd be in trouble. so, i think he'd win a few fights, but would eventually loose. Andrei Arlovski, I would actually choose in my top 3. He's a very good technical stricker, and does have good power and speed. Rickson Gracie would also be in my top 3, for the same reasons as you. Sakuraba is one of the best fighters in pride, but silva beat him, so he's out. silva - he would do very well, i think he would beat tyson. so he's the last one in my top three. the rest of the fighters would win some, and eventually loose, as you said... so it would come down to, arlovski silva gracie I think arlovski would beat silva, which would then be gracie vs arlovski. now, arlovski is pretty good on the ground, but obviously gracie is a better. arlovski is a way better striker though. I would have to say arlovski wins. Reaction by:
tyrant, 2006.01.02, 01:27
comparason
well, what were talking about here is a comparason of many different kinds of fighting
Well, the ting is about ultimate fighting, its submissions fighting unlike boxing, which only uses punches, or even ear biting like in Tyson's case. Really in order to compare Jeet kune do, karate,boxing, UFC.... You really have to think of every pro of every martial art Boxing: sure they can punch, but what hapens when a UFC fighter tackles his legs And think about Bruce's punches, his punch was faster than mohamid Ali's and in many ways he was considered the greatest boxer of all time And Bruce, can kick and grapple same with KArate really you;d have to see it to belive it Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.03, 04:38
i know
i took all of that stuff into acount.
i guess bruce could be seen as a champion boxer for the fact that, all of his punches were primarily boxing punches, and he has like the fastest punch in the world, and the most powerful for his size. he did win a boxing tournament beating a 3 time champion... bruce was an exceptional boxer. karate i give no chance against mma, a simple reason is that they never win in the ufc. i've seen karate and i'm not a big fan... anyways, as five_animals said, unless theres some insane triad fighter who knows the secret deadly arts of whatever, i'll put my vote on an MMA fighter. Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.04, 04:06
i was also thinking
since i have nothing better to do, i think about bruce lee.
i think if he got like 6 months of MMA training, he'd be unstoppable and would win this battle royal easily. since he died in the 70's, he's not up to date in the latest efficient attacks. for example, he trained his side kick and spinning back kick a lot. back then those techniques worked because people weren't as "good" as they are now. in the UFC, a side kick or spinning back kick are rarely landed, so if bruce were to train in today's mma style, where the only kicks that really work are thai kicks and push kicks, he'd be far more efficient, and i'm positive he'd be beating heavy weights. plus, he'd be learning jiu-jitsu since its incorprated in mma. i believe he'd be a quick learner, and very good at jiu-jitsu. so, in conclusion, bruce using the thai kick instead of traditonal kicks and incorprating jiu-jitsu would put him at the top of the list, surpasing shaolin monks, beating heavy weights of all styles. Reaction by:
five_animals, 2006.01.06, 05:05
k
for starters, bruce isn't the fastest puncher, there was a guy that did 12 punches a second... but Bruce's would be more technical correct and much stronger.
With the triad fighter... they train silmilar to the MMA and Kung-Fu combined, but much more intense... Most Kung-Fu schools are becoming soft, but when the tough masters are still teaching, it is this Kung-Fu that will beat MMA, doesn't always have to be a triad... look at me for e.g, i beat 6 outta 8... and my training is no where near as tough as a triads... so it makes you think. I have given things more thought, and i don't believe that Bruce would surpass the monks, mentally/spiritually or physically. Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.06, 08:04
doubt
i doubt thats even possible unless his punches were not fully extended, like its not even possible at all.
i've seen maybe 8 in a second, and i was freaking way too surprised. but as you said they wouldn't be power hits. does bruce not have the fastest punch recorded? well anyways, he has the fastest punch on this list. AND! he was already in better physical shape then the shaolin monks lol. watch enter the dragon. in the first 5 minutes of the film, you see bruce lee at his best. i don't see no shaolin monks looking like that. mentally and spiritually? no probably not cause the monks meditate and live in temples and everything. but you don't have to be spirituall to be a good fighter. he was more then enough mentally fit for any fight. he'd surpase them in fighting and physical capabilities for sure. uhmm, for the you against the mma fighters, well, you proclaim yourself to be a very good martial artist, you probably didn't fight amazing mma fighters. i dunno, i'd have to see you fight before making asumptions, but i think bruce would clean things up. plus i don't believe that triad hung gar story anyways... lol. Reaction by:
five_animals, 2006.01.07, 02:15
well...
My Master was telling me more about that Hung-Gar story the other day. Bruce was putting up a good fight, but the Triad fighter had more indurance. Bruce started to drop his guard from tiredness, and thats when the hung-gar fighter cornered him and fucked him up. he was out of training for 6 months. Now his record of training says that it was doing weights. You'd think someone in "the best" physical condition woulnd't be injured from sucha thing.
I admit the monks don't look as physically strong as Bruce, but they are. their training is so much more involved and harder than Bruce's. For the first 3-5 years they had to do chores in different stances. Then the next 3-5 years they had to do their training and learn't the basics. After that they learn't a style. this started from when they were 5-10 years old. They train all day every day until they are masters (unless they have shows or something else on) but to surpass them? i have never seen Bruce do a 2 hour horse stance holding a 30 kg rock, hgave you? and this is basic stuff, wait until they are eagle stance on a 6t pole holding the rock. Doing head height side kicks on the edges of cliffs; scarey shit, one over balance and they are gone. The thing is they pushed their limits and succedded. THey have had 2,000 years to know what is good and what is bad. What strengthens you and what doesn't. They know what works. Bruce had access to this knowledge and left. He left YipMan, not because it wasn't offereing him enough, because YipMan wouldn't teach him certain things about Wing Chun until Bruce was ready. Bruce left because of this And i've never seen you fight, and since your claiming to have faught and won against Kung-Fu fighters, they probably weren't amazing. Your arguement works right against you, think first. Reaction by:
dizzyjim, 2006.01.08, 00:09
Five animals, it doesnt matter how big or strong your muscles are, you can still injure your nerves from weights, Bruce was always pushing himself and this time went too far. he was doing the exercise known as "good morning", you rest the barbell behind your neck and bend over forwards, then straighten up again. lower back exercises like this are always dodgey and it doesnt take much to displace a vertabre.
Even if a guy could punch twelve times a second the punches wouldnt do anything, and Bruces fastest movement was recorded at 500th of a second. He also exploded a 300 pound bag that was hanging in Steve Maqueens bag garden. I'd like to know if you've ever seen a monk do a 2 hour horse stance with a 30 kg rock? (most of its in the mind anyway, I did one for 12 minutes once when all i did was watch tv and just not think about the time, the only reason I stopped was cos my mate thought it would be funny to jump in the room and scare the crap outta me). Head level side kicks aren't that amazing ask anyone who does taekwondo or karate. Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.08, 19:01
lmao
thats funny stuff five_animals... first of all, like buddy said, it doens't matter how strong you are, you can still get injured. he ndid good mornings with more then his body weight added, which was stupid..
and i highly doubt bruce was "getting tired" like c'mon, out of all his attributes, his endurance would probably be his best. he trained his endurance more then anything else, which further makes your story a little less believable. i think everyone should buy "the art of expressing the human body" by bruce lee, and you'll see that his methods are far more efficient then the monks. instead of sitting in horse stance for 6 hours, you could be doing squats at the gym, in less time and with better results. anyways, i just got home from a hockey tournament and i'm tired, i read some good stuff on the way home, and i'll post them later. p.s. We Won! woot. later everyone Reaction by:
five_animals, 2006.01.11, 04:42
fine
It is just odd that someone in their peak condition would be injured, and since he trained so hard for so long, he must know what he is doing so of course adding over his body weight on a bending lowerback exercise is smart... things just don't add up with that. But i am not saying that it definatly didn't happen.
The Hung-Gar story is true. Believe it or not, its up to you. The horse stance with rocks will strengthen so much of your body. I have seen them do it, but i havn't seen them do it for two hours. I have been told that some do it for that long. I know its all in the mind. When ever i am doing a long horse stance i always swing a really weird funny song in my head that makes me concentrate on that instead of what my msucles are doing. But you have to keep some concentration so you keep your horse stance solid without your knees bending in or anything. But still holding all these horse stances strengthen your legs so much. and with the guy punching 12 a second. i know they wouldn't do anything, but here it was said bruce had the record, and i'm saying he doesn't. It was a martial artist that holds the record, and a panal of martial artists were there to ensure they were proper technieu punches. He was from Karate i'm pretty sure. Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.12, 03:44
lol
i'm with dizzyjim :P
sparred for 2 hours tonight (full out with guys double my weight and strength.) so exhausted... night folks Reaction by:
five_animals, 2006.01.12, 13:25
like i said
believe what you want to believe. If your master, someone who has taught you everything you know about martial arts, told you something that was new to you how would you take it?
hearsay i find very offencesive because your calling my master a lyer, or your calling me a lyer. I respect my Master 100%, and if he tells me something, and he is sure of it then i am going to believe it. He has been in martial arts longer than most instructors today. He has been all over the world (except america) learning martial arts since he was 7. so hearsay? believe what you want to believe. I am still trying to find it, to get evidence i can post to prove it. Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.16, 00:20
i found
i found this in a timeline of bruce's life.
1953 (Age 13): Hong Kong - After being beaten up by a street gang, Bruce begins to take Kung-Fu lessons, despite local Hong Kong laws, outlawing streetfights. This is the first, and the last time Bruce looses a fight. He begins to train under Sifu Yip Man, a master of the Wing Chun system of Kung-Fu. AND on another website... Another aspect of his success is his ability to really kick some ass. Bruce remains undefeated throughout his life, except for a lost fight when he was 13 years old (this prompted Bruce to begin taking Martial Arts lessons). People jealous of Bruce, or people just thinking they could beat him, would frequently approach Bruce, tap their foot on the ground (this symbolizes a challenge), and they would begin to fight. Once during the filming of Enter the Dragon, an extra aproached Bruce, tapped his foot on the ground, and they began to fight. The extra had some real skill, but instead of trying to beat Bruce, he was really trying to hurt him. When Bruce realized this, he began to unleash his lightning quick speed and powerful moves; he smashed the guy right agains the wall. Bruce later said that he had never kicked a guy so hard before. He really beat the guy up. But unusually, after the fight was over, Bruce told the extra to get back to his spot and act. He never fired him. There is NO information anywhere about that fight, so i don't believe it. I'm not calling your master or you a liar, it was just probably a story thats been passed on among some people, and your master was told about it. ?? if it were true, there would be some sort of proof.. like bruce lee loosing a fight and being injured and unable to move for 6 months or whatever would have been all over the media. Reaction by:
five_animals, 2006.01.16, 09:27
i know i know
I believe my masters story, all but the 6 months part. I do find that a bit unbelieveable, but still it may all make sense.
I have a nother friend i talk to on msn, in lebanon. He knows the story and told me a little more about it. He has heard of Bruce lee being beaten by the Hung-gar fighter, but what he told me which was new is that Bruce came back after intense training and challange the hung-gar fighter. He beat the hung-gar fighter. Since he knew how he fought his training break was working on how to et around the tiger-crane style. I keep asking him to come onto MSN, but so far he hasn't. Reaction by:
hands_down, 2006.01.16, 21:05
questions..
well, try to find out bruce lee's age during the time of this fight. cause the older he became the better he got. if this fight were true, i can see bruce maybe gettin beaten, but not badly..
i can also see him loosing and gaining something from it, and train harder, then kicking the crap out of him. no one is invincible, everyone has their off days, and everyone can get caught by a lucky punch, etc... so my little theory or whatever, is that by the time bruce was 33 (the age at which he died) i think he would be pretty close to unstoppable. the time and effort he put into training and strategy, the guy was so knowledable about everything. i don't think the shaolin monks or triad fighters have anything over him, nor do MMA fighters (except for size and more jiu-jitsu). Reaction by:
senseieirc14, 2006.02.03, 23:44
the best
I think some of you people should maybe read about the different fighters some more. Bruce lee would beat kick everyone's ass, you people who think just because he's not the biggest he won't win? Have you ever read an article about bruce lee? he was a health extremist, he was the envy of bodybuilders with 100 pounds more muscle than him, the guy was muscle on top of muscle, and i still believe the bruce lee would walk into that ring and smash the boxers and all the guys with"endurance" faces in, bruce lee had more endurance and was healthier than any of these people, have you ever heard of a one inch punch? that was him, hit a man from one inch away and send them through a window or if 8 people got in a line, they would all feel it, so if you put these guys in a ring together they had better be prepared to enter the dragon
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hands_down, 2006.02.04, 00:18
what it comes down too
what it comes down to is his supreme fitness. he's too powerful, combined with speed and durability.
i'm in very good shape and i'm no where near bruce. he's just too intense. Comment by: bruce leeroy,
Saturday, 17. June 2006, 17:24
AAAAHHHHH Yeah! I agree!
I totally agree with your first pick man! Bruce Lee is the greatest fighter of all time!!!!! There will never be anyone as good as him!!! As for Andrei Arlovski, he's great also, and I can't wait to see him kick Tim Sylvia's ass!
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tyrant, 2007.08.07, 08:31
Confirmed 6 months
He was partially paralyzed from the waist down for 6 months due to an improper lifting warm up.... its in many Bruce documentaries...including the warrior with in... its also in the movie, Dragon a bruce lee story, and Linda's biography novel about Bruce's life....
I think Bruce would win over all.... hes faster than mohamad ali with exceptional striking skills and power his kicks were inhumanly powerful... he was an exceptional grapler as well... I think he would win, not because of his skill...but because of his universal talent... he would probrably grapple Tyson... we would try to prolly KO Gracie.... Also as far as Joe Lewis.... Joe Lewis was one of Bruce's students for a short period of time... that could have atributed to his success :P |
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