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Virtual Martial Arts Championship 2009kung fu vs karate this is a video i found of some kyokushin guys going at it with some kung fu guys, i think it demonstrates pretty well not that karate may be better than drunken style etc, but that simplicity is, also that to fight with a style you should probably train mentally and by that i mean figure out why certain movments are there. anywho what's everyones opinion? be gratful for some five animals input on the previous statment about knowing your style.
Comment by: five_animals,
Wednesday, 5. July 2006, 05:59
hm...
i have seen most of this video before, just not the guy in the purple at the end. its always sad when japanese teachers are teaching the chinese arts, and then competing them against other kapanese arts to see which is better.
the first guy, his foot work was off, and he didn't move forwards and backwards enough for drunken, same with the second guy, it was too much sideways, and if the other people are using their legs then the drunkards should have known to go down to the ground on their backs and fight from there. they were not able to beat the legs standing up (well at least THEY weren't) so they should have changed the rules, and instead of them going to the karate guy, make the karate guy come to them, which is more of the traditional style of drunken boxing. the last guy was just not that good all together, i don't know if there was anything special behind it since i can't understand japenese... but he left rhis ribs open, adn the karate guy did get a hit into his ribs... we all know how mucht hat can suck, especially if they break a floating rib or bounce around the liver. Reaction by:
dizzyjim, 2006.07.05, 16:52
i think the drunken fighters were chinese werent they? anywho yeah the last guy i think was doing a shoalin style and ive seen fights before where they've held their leading hand high, but they could block unlike this guy. if a guy lies on the floor my first reaction as a karate ka would be to stamp on him, so i doubt that would've worked very well. all i really know of drunken style is that the main perpose is to decieve like look up hit down, but also that the footwork is sorta meant to disorientate them, but are they supposed to cross their legs? cos if they are it aint a smart thing to to, a fast enough fighter would go straight in an they'd probably fall overcos they cant do nefing.
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0ntite, 2006.07.06, 00:31
piff
they werent fighting at maximum dmg. those karate dudes wouldnt stand a chance agianst a master. someone like bruce lee would take them out in a few seconds. hell, even i could. i sparred with ppl tht do karate, and they have a low potential
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five_animals, 2006.07.06, 03:16
ground is fine
Going to the ground wouldn't be a bad thing for a durnkard, after all a quater of their style is based on ground work. and falling/being pushed to the ground will do little effect to a drunkard. They know how to fall, to fall from standing upright and landing on their backs without using their hands or injuring themselves.
the cross stepping is fine, if followed up with the right technique. a drunkard cross step can lead to many things, includingunwinding and having their back tot eh opponent and then attacking that way, followed by rolling onto their back (i.e. advancing) and start attacking from the ground. many people think just to stomp a person when they're on the ground. but your legs outstretched can be a metre or more (mine are) and if they have them tucked in, then you have to get really close, you have to get within a metre, and when that does happen you kick their knees out, or kick whilst standing up into the face, or kick and roll backwards into a standing stance... there are limitless possibilities Reaction by:
0ntite, 2006.07.06, 18:29
true
thats one thing you dont wanna do is get a drunken style dude on the floor. if you ever played teken 2, you would know. they simulate the cop guy to jackie chan, becuase jackie does drunken style. my brother always took the advantage when i got him down on the floor.
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five_animals, 2006.07.07, 01:59
not tekken
screw tekken, try dead or alive 3 with Brad Wong, he does some good drunken shit, and some very basic ground work for a drunkard
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bruce leeroy, 2006.07.07, 20:29
google
i've seen the same clip on google video, but the one that's posted up here is longer. for me, i think that karate is the last martial art that i would like to do. just because of the fact that they are too mechanical (the way they move) and constricted to movements/strikes which are not effective and can easily be countered. to me, the people in drunken style are too fluid and the people in karate are much too robotic.
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wing chun man, 2006.07.08, 20:12
OMG
i saw this ages ago whilst searching for random "wing chun vs karate" videos. when i saw the title of a video "wing chun vs karate-karate guy kicks other guys ass" i thought i have to see this and i downloaded it. shortly after..WTF this is NOT wing chun nor is a type of drunken boxing. to me it looks like a bunch of japanese guyz trying to make kung fu look as BAD as possible. these so called "drunken boxers" look like real drunken fools lol as for the karate guy just typical. strong but basic everything.. stance, kicks and footwork is all well performed.
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dizzyjim, 2006.07.09, 10:15
hmm
pretty fair comments, does kung fu have different kinds of strikes as apposed to just open hand, punch kick etc
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wing chun man, 2006.07.09, 11:17
yeah
if i have understood your question right, there are mant different strikes e.g palm, fist, finger, elbow, knee, foot(all different areas on foot), head, shoulder, shin, forearm. urrrrrrr maybee five_animals could help me on this one, i think that is all.
btw in wing chun we use all of those. Reaction by:
five_animals, 2006.07.10, 07:34
everything
we use every bit of your body as a means for fighting and selfdefence. and kung fu definatly has the most wide ranged hand positions, and the most wide ranged technique variety. anything from finger, fist, palm, back hand, wrist, forearm, elbow, upper arm, shoulder, neck (yes, we use it to aid us in a fight as well) head, stomach/chest, arse, thigh, knee, shin, foot and toes
something that seperates wing chun from kung fu (even though it is still kung fu) are there views on fighting. correct me if i am wrong, but one of your 5 rules is Hands attack/defend hands and feet attack/defend feet. i find this interesting, but i find it limiting. snake for e.g., will use its tos to thrust into the throat and strike other pressure points, but if wing chun follows that rule, then it cannot apply Reaction by:
wing chun man, 2006.07.10, 22:00
well
the idea is in wingchun is to use as little force as possible to overcome an opponent efficiently. also we would would not use a toe thrust to the neck as it would reduce our balance extremly.
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dizzyjim, 2006.07.10, 23:09
wing chun
in my view wing chun is one of the smartest kung fu styles, even fighting styles. to use your toes in a kick in my opinion aint clever, you miss you break your toes, or they move forward and trip you. also to use your hands to defend against feet aint a great idea (slaggin off karate a bit here to guys so dnt woz, btw i study karate) because a strong enough kick will break the arm or hand. its a fairly comprehensive system as well, all in all i feel wing tsun is one of the best ma's because of its brutality.
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wing chun man, 2006.07.10, 23:19
respect
thats the first person on the net from a another MA ive heard talk about wingchun with such respect most people just call it weak or whatever.
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five_animals, 2006.07.11, 04:39
same
I also am a fan of wing chun, even more so when i saw this 8 year old girl come and blitz her age devision in the last tournament i was at.
the snake front kick is a very good technique, its hard to explain, but i have dropped people bigger than me to their knees (i am 6'4") you either use the tips of your toes for presicion, or you use the very top of the ball of your foot, but even with a soft kick to the neck, it hurts heaps. also, the crane, using very little effort and strength and counter the strongest kick you can throw at it, and its o so simple. but yeah, i do respect wing chun, but one of your most 'famous' wing chun masters in Australia (he has done a lot of international work as well) is William Cheung... i don't have muc respect for him at all Reaction by:
wingchuntx, 2006.07.11, 05:04
Hell yea!
You guys are the first people I have seen in these type of things on the internet to show respect to wing chun. Alot of people criticize it becuase they either don't know what it is or don't understand it. Wing chun is a very good style and can be very deadly with it's quick and direct attacks. Shit just look at Bruce Lee.
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dizzyjim, 2006.07.11, 11:59
of course
well of course i respect it, just to see some of the things that wing chun & tsun guys do is daunting, the only thing i have wrong with it really is that it attacks from the front a lot, and there isnt much foot work.
ive talked to loadsa peeps bout it and they seem to think that the punhes lack power because the hips arnt use to punch as much, however instead the whole body is pushed in behind the punch. also ur used to punching a big wooden dummy so wen u hit a person it goes straight thru em. seriously if i could find a wing chun or tsun school near me id join. that combined with the power that comes from my karate i think id make a pretty formidable fighter. Reaction by:
uscgdivinepalmbagua, 2007.12.11, 06:24
Wing Chun
you'd be an even better fighter if you cut karate out and practiced a Taij. style, karate lacks indept internal development
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