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If you are in the vincinity of Amsterdam, please bring a visit to our school:

www.wingchunamsterdam.nl

And of course Wing Chun is very suitable for street fighting. Just not for Ringsports, because Wing Chun has no rules.

Greetings,

Martijn (Tarzan)

Martin

I see alot of clips that on wing chun.And they are very fast when attacking but don't seem to have much power.
Is wing chun powerful? because theres nopoint doing on the streeet really quickly if there is'nt much power.

The most powerful punch is the Wing Chun punch. It looks lousy but it is the best punch there is. And it is not the only Wing Chun weapon.

i believe a boxers punch is more powerful than a wing chun punch. theres more torque in a boxing punch and more use of the legs. for traditional martial arts, i'd say wing chun has the best.

there are different interpretations of powerful, some people say its how much digging is done, some say it's the speed you have, i say it's a combination.

its a matter of physics. power= force x speed. (simple equation). wing chun lacks force in my opinion. its fast, but a boxer puts more force in his punches, and boxers can punch very fast as well.

boxing is refered to as "the sweet science" for a reason. in a "punch" fight boxing would beat any martial art. bruce lee realized this and thats why he disregarded wing chun and learned boxing.

Mike Tyson's arm weighs app 23 kg (45 pounds) and he can reach a speed of over 200 km/h. Imagine a swing will hit you. But we are not all like Mike Tyson. You probably have seen one of the famous Wing Chun punches performed by Bruce Lee, known as "The One Inch Punch". The record nowadays is making 16 of those punches in a second!

I once read a scientific article about the Wing Chun punch and the body mechanics used. By using a boxing punch you lift your arm and make a swing. Then you put all your weight in the swing. You cannot change the punch anymore while it is on its way. When it hits it is hard, when you miss you risk losing balance. You use your schoulder muscles to make the punch.

The Wing Chun punch is performed with the elbow inward. This way you do not lift your shoulder and keep a good connection from your body and have a good support. Then the punch is powered by the triceps. These muscles are 3.7 times stronger than the shouldermuscle used for the boxing punch. All this power is concentrated in a very short distance.

Then another importent difference is that you vision is horizontaly coördinated. So you will easy see boxing punch coming. The Wing Chun punch comes directly in the middle and is more difficult to see. And the second one is blocked from your view by the first one.

Another point worth considering is that is forbidden to use more than two Wing Chun punches in a row at official competition matches (like MMA, Mixfight, Sanshou and any other open competitions) because it is to dangerous.

I will try to find the article again.

Although Tarzan has put up a really good arguement... i still have to go with the boxers swing punch (roundhouse) over a wingchun direct punch. Lets consider the boxer doesn't have any gloves or shit on... when something is swinging it has a lot more force than a direct punch (get a staff, then get someone to jab you with it as hard as they can, then get them to swing it into you when they're only holding one tip and the other is hitting you) the swing is gonna hurt heaps more, and do a lot more damage.
But if a Wing Chun fighter and a Boxer went up against each other then i would put my money on the wing chun fighter. The big haymaker punch is awesome for turning heads into mush, but leaves more than enough time for a wing chun fighter (or any other trained fighter )to take the person out before the punch lands, or to do something to counter the punch...

in conclusion, my opinion is a haymaker punch is stronger than a wing chun direct punch

whats all this talk about speed and power. power is really easy to gain. any martial art you do will always include power. you cant say wing chun doesnt have power, cuz power comes from training. but speed is hard to gain. so thats why speed is more efficient.

boxers obviously have more power then wing chun, but it wont matter if your good. no one can stand a punch to the solerplex, and in wing chun they would do that. there safisticated and know where to hit. when you see those really big guys in the movies that dont get hurt no matter where you hit them, thats all bs. you can take a punch to the less tolerated places like the face or shoulders, but no matter how strong you are, a punch to the solerplex will always effect you. its becuase of the impact. and speed inflicts more impact then strength.

so thats why speed is better then strength. and if your not convinced then here. what if your a fast guy and your fighting a strong guy. the guy takes a swing but you dodge to quick and he misses. and he keeps missing cuz your just to fast. after a couple more punches he falls of exaustment. so there.

but you cant do martial arts without gaining strength. if you see a wing chun punch and you think its weak. first of all, thats how the punch looks. it doesnt mean that their weak themselves, its the way the punch is done. and the pucn isnt meant for strength, its done with energy. it damages the inside, wich is alot more dangerous. screw giving him a bruiz and letting him get away to come back another day and finish you, when you can damage his inners, or organs, and leave him paralized for life.

The reason that no matter how big and strong you are you can't withstand a hit to the solarplexus is because there is an opening where there is no muscle; so no matter how big you get, or how many times you get hit in the solar plexus, its going to effect you. Muscle can cover msot of it, and give it some protection, but there is a gap big enough for a knuckle between the muscle and the bottom of the sternum. The only thing that you can do is to learn to deal with the shock properly.

And whats all this shit about leaving a guy paralised or damaging internal organs... seriously, unless your life depends on it you should leave a guy in a position to walk away with no permanent damage (even if you do knock him out) with todays law suits you will be the one getting busted up if someone cannot be repaired. So yeah, unless you feel you could die or get seriously injured that natural healing won't fix without any aid, then don't do it to the other guy. as a martial artist, you should be able to control your techniques, and to be able to win the fight without going to the extreme. if your afraid the guy will come back with mates, or weapons or shit like that, then go to the police after the fight, if he's knocked out take his ID from his wallet and report him (not the money though, you hand that in with the ID, along with everything else in the wallet, and if he doesn't claim it then tis yours, and you got the money the respectful way!)

power is easy to gain, but controlling the power is another thing. Even if the other guy is really fast, if you can control your power then the odds are the big guy is going to beat the little guy. but if he's just out there wailing his arms about then he will probably lose.

paralyzing someone or disabling them for life is brutal, but in these times that may not even be enough. now days people don't fight hand to hand. if they do and you beat them, they'll come back and kill you. if you get the police involved that can escalate the problem even more. where i come from, if you call the cops and someone gets in trouble or arrested, their people will come after you. if the police get them before they get you then their people will come after you. it's like they have an endless supply of "homeboys" that'll keep coming until they get you. the police can't be every where. i've always gone by this philsophy- never leave an enemy behind. as far as lawsuits go, lol, these people would die before they would have anything to do with the "right" side of the law. the only time they see a court room is when they're being sentenced. maybe in some parts of the world you settle something by fighting but not in my neck of the woods. people may have more respect for the police in other parts too. it's just ugly reality that we have to live with.

now, size and strength don't really matter. like i've said and others have said it depends on the person. too many people assume that because someone is big or extremely muscular that means they're slow. look at bolo. he definitely wasn't slow. i think what comes in to play even more importantly than speed and strength is heart. it is possible for a lesser man to beat a man that is bigger, stronger, and yes even faster if he has enough heart. no i haven't seen rocky too many times either, lol. The real rocky marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion ever. Pretty good record to me, especially considering the fact that he had maybe average atheletic ability, only 67 inch reach and he moved about as fast as george foreman in slow motion. so how did he win so much and have an undefeated record? Three reasons-cast iron jaw, sledgehammer overhand right and mainly HEART.

A littlebit more info on the Wing Chun punch:

Article by: By Master Wai-Poh Tang

I will discuss the biomechanical analyses of a common technique practised in the Wing Chun style, but the same principles apply to any punching of any martial arts discipline. The analytical technique is the typical Wing Chun centreline frontal punch. Many practitioners execute this technique thousands of times in order to achieve powerful punches. Although, in the initial few months practitioners may notice considerable increase of power, but that power is limited without the understanding of punching mechanics.

In my classes, this mechanical principle is explained at very early stages of learning. We look at two main fitness components that contribute to a powerful punch - strength and speed. The inter-relation of speed and strength determines the type of power required for specific situations.

For example, a martial artist chopped through a full beer can in half with his bare hand without cutting himself; this demonstrates power that contained high speed and low strength. A separate demonstration of another martial artist chopped several layers of thick blocks of ice or concrete - this uses power that is higher in strength than speed.

Having understood the differences of specific power for specific purpose, we can now look at combat. A quick punch like jab has higher speed of connection to the target than a right cross (a punch from the rear guard hand) or a punch that uses torso rotation. These two punches serve two distinct tactical purposes, one aim for quick connection and the right cross is to knockout the opponent. The Wing Chun centreline punch is taught often without the understanding of tactical approach, and it's limitations.

This essay aim to provide sound information to develop or increase your potential punching power. A good indication of a power punch relates to the elbow displacement of the punching arm. Look at the photos above, and notice the position of the elbow joint in relation to the shoulder joint. The initial stage of the punch in the second photo shows the position of the elbow has moved- the shoulder and chest muscles cause this movement. Notice the punch is not released at this precise time, hence minute elbow extension. Finally, elbow extension occurs after the elbow had travelled mid-flight or interim middle distance.

In brief, when elbow is displaced before the triceps extend the arm, it results in greater force than when triceps extends the arm followed by elbow displacement. You can quite easily test these two methods of punching by striking a stationary wall bag. It will be even better if you have electronic instruments to measure the force of your punches.
With this in mind, you can then organise your training programme and focus clearly your goals - either quick connective punch or high impact force punch. You will also notice that high power punch requires more time to psyche up and more time to generate. There is a very simple psychophysiological explanation for this, but it will be discussed in the future.

So, use and maximise your potential power and good luck. Note that elbow displacement is the result of the shoulder and its adjoining muscle groups.

so a wing chun punch is very powerful then

Friend of mine send me two links to more articles about the punch:

Wing Chun VS Boxing - Article Ving Tsun Museum
The Punch - Article Knoxwingchun

"Another point worth considering is that is forbidden to use more than two Wing Chun punches in a row at official competition matches (like MMA, Mixfight, Sanshou and any other open competitions) because it is to dangerous. "

Woah! I saw alot of bullshit on this page, but this one caught my eye fast.

I'm sorry if someone already discredited this, but there is no rule that says anything about throwing more than one wing-chun punch in any MMA foul list that I have ever read. In fact, nothing about Wing-Chun is listed in any MMA foul list.

I've seen claims like this before. Pressue points, standing wrist locks, and Wing-Chun punches are all legal in MMA. They just don't work that well. That's why you don't see them. Someone already posted the UFC foul sheet in another topic, so look it up.

Is the poster trying to justify that poor performance of Wing-Chun in the early UFC?

You cant say what is better here, you can only say what is better for certain situations:

(1) start of a fight: i suggest jabs (wing chun style punches) prevail here as your opponent will be sharp and speed counts, this is true in boxing, jabs usually form the vanguard of a boxers strategy, with a few biggies thrown in at opportune moments

(2) Opportune moments: as I said, when the oponent slips up or somthing, a haymaker can be the right tool for the job

(3) if your fighting a fool: maybe you can just use a haymaker, it would be best then

(4) if your fighting bruce lee: use jabs, not haymakers, you may delay a little your loss!

anyway, never fight for real unless you have to, some techniques can cause alot of damage: ie boxing for real against an agressive drunk...