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You Don't mind If I start a battle Royal, do u?

Now we've discussed the battles between Bruce and Jackie, but how about Bruce and Jackie in a battle royal?

Now heres who I think shohuld be in it, please label who you think would win, come in 2nd, and 3rd also list who would badly loose.

*Bruce Lee(need I say more a, legend)
*Jackie Chan(you know him as the drunken master)
*Chuck Norris(martial arts champion, a true master)
*Jet Li(another martial arts champion, star of Kiss of the Dragon)
*Chow Yun-fat (star of Crouching tiger hidden dragon)
*Kareem Abdul-Jabbar(tall guy from game of death)
*Ernie Reyes Jr.(Tae Quan Do master, see him in the Rundown)
*Jean Claude Van Dam(Kick Boxer, star of Blood sport)
*Steven Segal(Movie star.........)
*Robin Shou(Lu Kang from Mortal Kombat)
*Bolo Yeung( master of Tai Chi, buff guy from enter the dragon.)

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Article by: tyrant, Friday, 9. July 2004, 10:40h
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Bruce rules

Here are the survivor from the winner the the most pathetic loser.
1. Bruce will kill all of those guys whatever they do,
2nd. would be jet li who's move fast like hell
3th. Chow yun fat, this guy is like the trciky master and trick those moron under this list to kill each other
4th.Jackie chan
5th. Kareem
6th. Chuck
7th. Bolo
8th.Robin
9th.Ernie, i don't even know this guy, but i think just everybody would be better than the last two loser under this list.
10thVan dam
11th. the most pathetic fighter, moron head, and weak, and slow, and etc, and etc goes to Steven seagal. this guy just to slow and it's fat belly show his untrained body that will couse his death in battle royal in the first place

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the fuck

jackie would kick jet lis ass

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dude

jet would kick jackis ass

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your mind is not of pure intelegence

steven segal is an extremely good martail artist , and if you think overwieght or fat poeple, cannot move , samo hung could out class you for sure , he is agile and swift. and come to think of it every single japanese sumo wrestler would undoubtly smash your face in whilst eating a bowl of chicken soup and still not break a sweat, think before you slag off poeple , oh weak minded person . love n peace to all

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Bruce rules

Here are the survivor from the winner the the most pathetic loser.
1. Bruce will kill all of those guys whatever they do,
2nd. would be jet li who's move fast like hell
3th. Chow yun fat, this guy is like the trciky master and trick those moron under this list to kill each other
4th.Jackie chan
5th. Kareem
6th. Chuck
7th. Bolo
8th.Robin
9th.Ernie, i don't even know this guy, but i think just everybody would be better than the last two loser under this list.
10thVan dam
11th. the most pathetic fighter, moron head, and weak, and slow, and etc, and etc goes to Steven seagal. this guy just to slow and it's fat belly show his untrained body that will couse his death in battle royal in the first place

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oxkillbillxo

1st bruce lee (obviously)
2nd jet li or donnie yen (close)
3rd jackie chan
4th van damme (pretty good)
5th chuck norris (not to good)
6th bolo
7th that guy is rite the weakest has to be steven seagal- he sucks rele bad and his style is poor, he like never uses his legs (the most powerful weapon)

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Shut Up

Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee trained together, Chuck Norris was world Karate Champion, and Bruce even said Chuck was a great fighter. Van damme is a slow, over sized, steriod tacking losser who has never reached chuck norris's lvel in a tournament!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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fag

go suck some dick. just because he won his faggit karate champion who cares? karate sucks..its not even a martial art

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whoa-

whoa, whoa, whoa. let's settle down. simmer...simmer...ok. good, now take a deep breath. good. now exhale. good. now breathe in, and...hold your breath for as long as you can, until you pass out. when you regain consciousness, you will see that all of your insecurities and bitching topics will have dissipated.
you can thank me later----qotsa

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With or without weapons?

Before we can decide who will be a winner, we have to set op rules. With or without weapons? If with weapons, then the discussion is of course wich ones. For example if we allow guns, Charles Bronson is going to win. Are we going to compare the real persons or the roles they play.

I know that Jean Claude van Damme in real is not much. Especialy nowadays. Arnold Swarzenegger would lift him and trow him away. (Just a matter of size an weight.)

I think the best way to compare the fighters is like they are in real life. Otherwise Brat Pitt (Fight Club) and Keanu Reaves (Matrix trilogy) may end up high in the list.

My top 5 (In real life)
1. Bruce Lee
2. Steven Seagal
3. Chuck Norris
4. Yet Li
5. Jackie Chan

I would like to see these battles:

Highlander VS Blade
Gladiator VS Morpheus
Mickey O'Neil (The Snatch) VS Tyler Durden (Fight Club)

Tyrant, good discussion !

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Hey Thanks Man

Yeah hey thanks Tarzan

I think ur right I did'nt set up any rules.

1st NO weapons (and the room is empty)
2nd No hits Under the Belt
3rd KO means UR out

And this is comparing the fighters in real life, (when they were at their best, Chuck Norris is 65, Bolo Yeung is in his 70s, Steven Segal gained 60 pounds then lost 40) I thought about the whole matrix trilogy myself, but I think this is a website for martial arts so I included all of the greats.

I sorry I did'nt include this earlier I guess it would of saved you from typing.

PS U should post those Tarzan, I would donate my opinions.

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serious

is tarzan fuckin serious? sry for the language, but how the hell could steven seagul bet jet li? hed be lucky 2 survive a fight with anyone..but jet li? jet li would turn him into a baseball. jet li is a true master and should be at least 2nd on that list

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The (Presumably) Correct Hierarchy

1. Bruce Lee
2. Jet Li
3. Chuck Norris
4. Steven Seagal
5. Jackie Chan
6. Bolo Yeung
7. Ernie Reyes Jr.
8. Jean Claude Van Damme
9. Chow Yun Fat
10. Robin Shou

Dream Team, Eh?

Kareem Abdul Jabbar cannot be a part of this list. He may have made a career out of basketball, but I simply don't consider him to be a good martial artist.

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I was waiting for that

Yes I knew he was a basketball player, I was waiting for some 1 to figure out there was 1 non-martial artist in the list,

I admire your knowledge

PS keep em comin, I think every one who posts here has an extended knowledge of martial arts

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WHAT?!

dude......come on....Steven Segal

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J.K.

1.Bruce Lee
2.Jackie Chan
3.Jet
4.Robin
5.Chow
6.Chuck
7.Bolo
8.yea, who cares...

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jackie vs jet

jackie chan and jet li did get into a friendly match. Jackie won

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jet

i dont kno waht u ppl r thinking but i kno that jet would kill jackie. jackie is cool but jet is so fast and did u kno he got 2 do a compitition on the white house lawn. jet li would win. hed make jackie his bitch. jackie is a fool and doesnt take his shit seriously

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Bruce the Punk

Jet uses Camera tricks to make his kicks seem faster, he has said in many interviews that Jackie could take him. Jet is all about how his moves look. Jackie is more about how effective the move is, plus jackie has move power.

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correct me if im wrong but wasnt chuck norris a karate champion rather than martial arts champion even though it doesnt have any relevence

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chuck

chuck norris sucks. van damm could kick his ass

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correct

Jet Li or Bruce Lee
Donnie Yen (iron monkey, hero)
Jackie Chan (drunken master)
Van Damm
Chuck Norris
Steven Seagul

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Don't forget about Donnie Yen...

1. Bruce Lee
2. Jet Li
3. Donnie Yen
4. Jackie Chan

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donnie yen

yeah! donnie yen kicks ass! he rulz

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mental

u cannot say that student cannot beat their master! my best fighter is Bruce lee but i cannot say he will whip jetli's ass. 90% is mental and 10% is physical. i'm yellow belt but i can defeat black belt easily. i really like to see Bruce Vs Jackie.

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SooooOoO

Im impressed with your ability to beat a black belt being a yellow, however Im kind of confuzed with what u last said, are you saying it is posible for some 1 to beat bruce lee if they were mentally in to the fight.

well mentality is 1 thing, but bruce is always at a mental stage beyond 100% when he fights, watch the interviews

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honor

this is for the yellow belt that says he beat his master. it is dishororable to spar ur master unless u r red or black belt, and it would have to be a friendly fight. but i still think if jet were alive he would have a good chance fighting bruce

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Da Punk Again

Or your Master is Crap and thus so are you, don't be so proud in saying you beat your master. When you are better than the teacher you cannot learn more, if you beat him that soon you must have learnt very little, Mo'Fo'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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First off Bruce would kick the shit out of everyone he`s the only one who is a true martial artist. The rest are all movie actors and only train in what looks good for the movies. Bruce trains for real combat no matter where he is he even trains while he`s shooting a movie. jacky has said it him self hes a movie martial artis and he cant even remeber everything hes learned. plus jacky was a stunt extra in enter he dragon and standing next to bruce he looked stupid..lol as for the rest Jet lee`s a chump. and Bob wall made Steven segal cry. Bolo could kick robin shou`s ass jean claude got floord by Chuck zito a hells angel member in a bar.nuff said

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I take it no one here has any knowledge of Steven Seagal and the art of Aikido what so ever. If anyone has trained in Aikido they would know its an art that doesn't require physical stength, but relies on its center or ki. If you haven't seen Seagal in person, I recommend watching the first few minutes of Above The Law, where Seagal is teaching Aikido in his Dojo in Japan, clearly displaying his dynamic talent. Each fighter here has there advantage with each art. For the record vandamme is nothing but a body building expert in ballet. With good looks strength and flexibility, anyone can have good kicks on film. Can he face one who has trained with the founders of Aikido since age 17, and brought the art to America. . .sure but he'll will get his ass kicked, or thrown for that matter left with separated joints, and fractured bones. And why the hell is Kareem on this list and not Jeff Speakman.

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Bruce Lee
Jet Li-Jackie Chan = draw
Steven Seagal
Ernie Reyes Jr.
Bolo
Chuck
Robin
Chow
Van-Damme

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kill bill

i have something to say about wut lau kune do said. ur an idiot. u have no idea what ur talkin about and jackie never said the. jackie went through a very hard martial art school when he was young and this was a long time ago in china were it was brutal. he is a true master. and jet li is a extemley fast. hed probly beat jackie. ur a dumbass fool. jet would have a chance with bruce if bruce were alive

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lau kune do u suck

The Punk says lau talk out of his Bottom! Chuck Norris was world karate champion!!!!!!! Which kind of makes him a MARTIAL ARTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like oxkillbillxo say Jackie chan was raised in a martail arts bording school!!!!!!!!!! lau Kune Do sucks doggy doodoo!!!!!!!!!!

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battle royal

*Bruce Lee
*Donnie Yen or Jet Li (it would be close)
*Jackie Chan
*Jean Claude Van Dam (the kickboxer, bloodsport)
*Chuck Norris
*Bolo Yeung (bloodsport, enter the dragon)
*me
*Steven Segal

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Who is me

Hmmm, i do not know a fighter with the name me :) Nice list. The fighter in Ong Bak does some nice fights too. Have you seen it?

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steven segal

steven segal sucks.he cant campare 2 any of the people listed in this battle royal. and he does hapkido not what that other guy said. and van damm is not just a bodybuilder who does ballet. if u think he sucks i think u should see the movie the kickboxer. van dam has very powerfull legs. i would hate 2 be the guy that thinks hes just some wimp

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ong bak

that movie is out? i want 2 see it but i couldt find it in the movies anywere

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van dam

who ever sayd jean claude van dam sux- ur an idiot. hes a rele bad actor but he is very good. he does stuff with his legs thats unbeilevable. watch the movie the kickboxer. what he does he rele does. its not special effects. watch the movie bloodsport to (its good)

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you forgot 2 of the best fighters

donnie yen-easly the the second best martial artist next to bruce lee. donie yen is the guy from shangai knights and blade 2. also in once upon a time in china 2. him and jet li had probably the best fight in martial arts history. then they continued it in hero.(the first fight scene in the rain). the other guy you left out is up and coming star tony jaa from ong-bak.

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jackie chan is the man

jackie chan is the best martial arts fighter i have ever seen, full of skills a real master a true fighter, he can kick jet li ass in space 69 seconds next to him is bruce lee. this is my list and i think you will all agree to it



(1)jackie chan......martial arts master of all time

(2)bruce lee........next after the master

(3)jet li..............master of camara

(4)donnie yen

(5)chuck norris

(6)bolo yeung

(7)jean clude van damme

(8)steven seagal

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look this is my list

NUMBER #1: BRUCE LEE {J-K-D}

#2: FORGET THE REST BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST

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Nicely said

Bruce=1
thats all we need one legend

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The Punkmister says..

Jackie Cahn has said in many interviews that Bruce could beat him. They have even spared before since they were both in enter the dragon (Bruce breaks Jackies neck). Bruce Rules!!!!!!! The only guy who could have beaten him in a fight is Muhammid Ali, Bruce once said he wouldn't want to fight him because Ali was so much bigger while still being lightning fast. Plus Ali was a TKD (not JKD, don't confuse them) black belt taught by Jhoon Rhee who trained with Bruce. Look this up on google, I am Right as ever! Punk out!!!!!!!!!

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tkd?

ali doesnt kno any martial arts. hes a boxer and he doesnt have a chance with bruce. jet li would have a great chance with bruce. u guys think bruce is the only one who can fight only becuase he did street fights. jet li is a master. and just because bruce was great and he died..no1 would andmit that someone out there could probly beat him. there are other great martial artists out there that dont make themselves known. watch fist of legend, with jet li. it 10 times better than any bruce lee movie. he not a "master of camera" which some person said. fist of legend is an old movie anyway. and its non stop action

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Ha.

Alright, alright, first off I'd like to say that a Shaolin monk could beat any of them. Please do not say to me that Bruce Lee is a master, or any of that crap. Half of the stuff he did was incorrect. He tried to take 2,000 years of study and change it.

Shaolin monks are ACTUALLY masters. Their whole life is martial arts, they only break to eat and sleep. They have no outside life. They can jump 6-7 feet high. They can withstand ridiculous amounts of pain.

Bruce Lee is a pompous moron. He constantly talks, in his interview, about how good he is at "mahtial ahts". His "1-inch punch" was copped from Wing Chun. It is not his. I'm sure lots of people know this. He is using it the wrong way, if anyone has seen the videos of him doing it. The correct way is to punch "through" someone, not at someone, that is why they move so far when he does it.

So here is my list.

Jackie Chan - He, in fact, DOES take his Martial arts seriously. He swims 2 hours a day, which is actually very difficult, and does many other workouts throughout the day, but he also enjoys his work in movies.

(Self-entered Martial Artist) Hwang Jang Lee - The super kicker from the original Drunken Master. It should be self explanatory. He killed a popular knife fighter in a war with one kick to the head. Bruce Lee would be old news. Again.

Bruce Lee - He was a pompous, over rated ass, but he was still good.

Jet Li - Very fast, ya know.

Chuck Norris - Whitey.

I don't know enough about Chow Yun Fat

Ernie Reyes - Tae Kwon Do Masters are ridiculously strong.

Bolo Yeung

Jean Claude Van Dam

Steven Seagul

Robin Shou - WHY IS HE ON HERE!? I COULD BEAT HIM UP. SLOWEST EVER

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hm...

thank you for saying that about the monks, finally someone else expresses themselves about them.
your views on Bruce Lee are a little harsh, but they are your views, you have your right to present them, which is what the site is all about.
but there is one thing that i'd like to correct you on. Monks don't WITHSTAND pain, the DON'T feel it at all. its not all the time, its after they have meditated, but they can meditate whilst training or fighting.
In their meditation they somehow have discovered how to block of neural messages from receptors to the brain. since all pain is psychological, if tehre is no message sent to the brain for the brain to interpret it as pain, then there is no pain.

anyone who studies psychology knows what i am on about.

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I wasn't aware they actually BLOCKED them. Bruce Lee could not contend with that.

But yes, I love Shaolin Monks. I wish there were more Shaolin schools in the US, though I'm sure they're not nearly as good as the temples.

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yeah

Bruce lee or other fighters would have no chance against the monks, the reason they won't feel nything he inflicts kinda helps them there.for any new people who havn't seen it yet, go to the images section and flip through the pages until you come to the image of a monk doing a handstand on one finger. I have heard people say how bruce lees so great because he can do push-ups on one finger, a handstand is taking it to another level, something that bruce lee couldn't.

on stage i've seena monk take 6 hits in the nuts and not flinch, 6 hits in the stomach with a broom handle and not a flinch, didn't even step back or sway his body, brrom stick handles broken over the arm. arm did not move when broom hit it.

fighting a monk, i like fighting a stone golem.

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Monks are human beings like every one else

They might be very durable, and might be in a state of no pain, but every martial art out there has a weakness, and every one can die.

Besides STOP TRYING TO ADD MORE TO the battle royal.

its not like i dont want to hear ur opinion, this just complicates things.

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pain

just because they can't feel pain, doesn't mean they can't be beat. what if bruce threw the monk on the ground and stomped on his head like 10 times. not feeling pain won't stop their head from being squished into nothing.

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and...

and what if the monk threw bruce to the ground and stomped on his head 10 times!? Or is Bruce just so strong that he'll take the pain?!
1. Neither the monks or Bruce would be thrown to the ground easily
2. not feeling pain has advantages in a fight. ONe... you get punched in the face you don't feel a thing.

But i suppose, if you can't feel pain, then being stomped on the head 10 times won't do a thing, unless it kills the monk, the monk will hop back up and start fighting again.
Thats why people of steroids before a fight can't feel their arms being broken, and they still go into a fight.

Who has seen Ong Bak?
The guy had like 5 steroid injections at once and he had his skull cracked open! he got up and faught, he couldn't feel a thing (also he's pumped ont he juice)

The only disadvantage that it'll have is you sustain heavy damage, and then after the fight when you feel pain again you get all the pain then (only if its like a broken arm etc)

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Missing

I think the creator of this site is totally cool by the way. It's comical to see the reactions, views and opinions of other's people's thoughts of all these martial artists. However I think he has left out an underated fighter by the name of "Sho Kosugi". Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Sho Kosugi are by far the top 3 martial artists of all times, and in that order. All three of these fighters were or still are remarkably strong individuals who could use all four limbs in combat on an even level of strength and versatility. As a martial artist, if you can use all four limbs equally, you are one tough fucker to beat! There are definitely some notables out there as well: Jet Li
Ernie Reyes Jr.
Chuck Norris
Yang Sze ( Bolo )
Shane and Cane Kosugi ( yes sons of Sho )

These ones are not necessarily in order.

Then there's : Steven Segal
Jean Claude Van Damme
who are just jokes. I'm pretty sure Ralph Macchio could train with Myagi in one week again and annhilate them both at once.

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I agree to some degree

This goes out to smart weapon. You are absolutely correct on Steven Segal. He is very good at Aikido. Aikido is all about using your oppents weight against themself. But that's all he knows. Whereas the 3 top martial artists in the world today, dead or alive, know so much more to their art and them some. They treated their art as a true "art" Let's take the obvious Bruce Lee and his philosophy on the art of fighting. His philisophy combined several different martial arts made into one deadly art. No one can touch him based on that.

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but what about...

does anyone know:
Ip Shui?
Yip Man?
Pak Mei?
Wong Shun Leung?
These are some really skilled martial artists (or were)
Ip Shui is a praying mantis master. He took it to the next level, he beat the undefeatable! (in the ring)
If anyone wants me to type up an article on them just say so and i'll be more than happy too. :)

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yeah

if bruce or a monk got thrown to the ground and got their head stomped on 10 times, neither of them would get up. i'm just trying to say that they aren't invincible. i reckon, neither was bruce.

well i presonally think that jackie chan is not one of the greatest, hes good, but in the entire world, he is not in the top 3. i'd have to agree with five_animals, that there are some shaolin monks who could probably beat anyone in the world. but bruce will always be my number one.

ong bak was pretty intense though, i just think its funny how we only mention movie stars, cause thats who everyone knows.

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lol

I don't think Jackie, Bruce or Jet are in the top three.
there are so many Martial artists (agreeing with Hands_down that we only talk about movie stars) that had to kill, fight armies, and train armies. They arn't heard of. they would have thrown down all movies stars if they were to ever fight.
Bruce is your number one, Monks are my Number one. battle of conflicts really.

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Conflicts for sure!

I do agree hands down that we all only talk of movie stars. But why is that? Because these movie stars got into show biz for their remarkable talents in the field of martial arts. Not In Acting! I love Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Sho Kosugi and the list goes on. But I know not one of them are noted for their high level of acting. They got recognized for their strength & talents in their own particular martial art. That says something about them, doesn't it?

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chan acting

Actually, Jackie Chan is a trained opera actor and was originally approached to do the award winning film "Farewell my Concubine" which is not an action film.

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Dolph

Can Dolph Lundgren join the Battle Royale? I think he's 3rd dan Kyokoshinkai.

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haha

what about my friendds master...

master Nam, 5th degree in tae kwan do, and bushido (way of the warrior), he taught in the korean army. i wwent to my friends class, and this guy is way too good. he juust kills everything and anything. like he told my friend to swing a real samurai sword at him as hard and as fast as he could. he blocked it like it was nothing. its insane would some people can do. yeah hes like 30 years old. a lot of talent in that man.

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well i think Bruce Lee would come last cause he'd say "rules in a fight...fuck that!" cause he hated martial arts as a sport and didn't believe in regulated tournaments where people scored points and weren't allowed to nut bust eachother.
then jackie chan would lose to someone then come back reenter under a different name and use a new style he'd learnt whilst he was away to kick everyones ass.
Jet Li would probs try n kick bolo in the head and he'd just grab his throat and crush....what the fuck am i saying he'd be an old man now jet li would smoosh him, into the ground.
Van Dam would start fighting then either see a girl he should go make out with or find out his kids are in danger and go save em.
the tae kwon do guy...fuck knows i aint never heard of him.
Donnie Yen would go into the character of Bruce Lee again (he remade enter the dragon or fists of sury i never remember which) in an attempt to better his chances, and then quit for the same reasons Bruce did.
Chuck Norris would start fighting then go into a long speech about how crappy communism is and mean while get his ass kicked.
Samo Hung would punch the fuck outta a buncha people.
Then everyone would feel sorry for Steven Segals bad rep and let him win.

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mhmm

i can't believe i wasted two minutes of my time reading that. i'm sure you were trying to be funny, but whatever. bruce out-classes any movie star by 10 times.

i just read somewhere a couple replies up, someone said half of bruce lee's stuff was incorrect and that hes no master. your probably the stupidest person i've ever encountered. bruce spent hundreds of thousands of hours studying, researching, training, and perfecting his idea of a complete martial art. hesno master, yet he has one of the fastest punches ever recorded or is it the fastest? hes probably one of the strongest pound for pound in the 20th century. flexible like a gymnist, endurance was remarkable, solid, every muscle is defined. just look at his body, no one short of a master has a body like that.

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lol

Just coz someone has their own view doesn't mean they are the stupidest person you've ever encountered... thats prejudice... but i still don't think any of the Martial art movie stars are in the top 5 (or maybe even 10) for greatest martial artists known

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lol

i don't really care. bruce lee was a master, and everyone who says he isn't sucks haha. i think bruce lee was/is the only movie actor that was actually in the top 5 or whatever. the only reason he did movies was to have some money and show off his amazing body, speed etc. he wanted to make a name for himself and let the whole world know that "i'm the man" type thing. anyways, yeah i think he was one of the best. if he wouldn't have died, i think everyone would see that. he wasn't even at his peak of training before his death, so if you don't think he was one of the best, he would have been if he didn't run out of time. agreed?

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i agree with that

i said that a while ago, that if he didn't die, he would have been one of the best martial artiwst, if not the best

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he didnt do movies to show off it was to pass on his message of being formless to the masses. he even said in that mega famous interveiw that showing off is bull cos its means your being cocky and arrogant about your abilities and so are not expressing your body and self honestly

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bruce used to always show off. he didn't do it on purpose, but from all the books i've read, bruce had a pretty cocky attitude. i mean, if i was the best, i'd be cocky too

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haha

Bruce wasn't the best... so he must just be cocky because he is over egotistical. I learn't today that Bruce was in the Ring with a Hung-Gar practishioner and Bruce got fucked up so bad that he couldn't train for 6 months! ... now you were saying that his Skills would be good enough to beat anyone and any style (not your exact words but you've implied it enough) well... he fell to traditional Kung-Fu! Hung-Gar beat Bruce... now Hung-Gar is a mixture of Tiger and Crane style... and yet you say that Bruce would beat a monk... i don't think you can get more traditional training than that, and i believe most are animal practishioners... hm... i'll let you do the math.
No doubt Bruce was fast as anything... but against the might of Hung-Gar bruce's speed was nothing!

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lol

first of all, that was probably a rumor, or when bruce first started training. it was definetly not when bruce was actually good, because

1) all of his training records are recorded and written down, and the only gap in his training was when he injured his nerves working out doing good morning with his own body weight. he was unable to get out of bed for 6 months. so thats probably someones rumor of what happened to him. i have never heard this rumor, so it was probably some jealous kung fu guy who was trying to make hung gar look good, cause jeet kune do out classes it.

2) when he was young he challenged a lot of people, so he could of got beat, but everyone looses when their young. plus he was using wing chun, wich isn't the best way of fighting. so if this is the case, then no one cares. lol, anyways, it was probably 1) that is correct

bruce would kick the hell out of a shaolin monk. i think if you actually knew anything REAL about bruce lee, you'd know this too.

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alrighty then

What makes you correct and me not correct? Tell me!

it wasn't a rumour, it was true. it was Fact not fictional... and it was when he was good! not when he was just starting off and only had 'wing chun'
maybe who ever wrote those records, him or someone else, covered for him... since he wants to be the best he can't have his records showing that he was beaten now can he... because i thought his body was perfect... so how could he injure his nerves if he had the best body and had the best training!?!?
It isn't some jealous kung-fu guy making these up... its real! so get use to it.
and whos to say that Jeet Kune Do outclasses any style?
wing chun is a perfectly good way of fighting. Bruce was the great Yipmans student... the reason Bruce left was because Yipman didn't teach him that Bruce wasn't ready for... since Bruce didn't like this he left... otherwise he might have become a wing chun master and then you'd be saying wing chun is the best and a perfectly good style of fighting (and it is a perfectly god style of fighting)
The Hung-Gar fighter was a triad fighter, the best of the best... he was kicking the shit out of bruce... then he backed him into the corner and fucked him up completly... Bruce didn't stand a chance! This could have given him nerve damage... i don't see how a morning work out can damage someones nerves... i study Psychology... if anyone else does.. pls explainit to me because i don't see how it can work... having your head belted the crap out of i can see how that may cause neurological damage...

Off topic... this nerve damage... was it in the head or somewhere else? coz didn't he die of brain problems... this may be the cause... i don't know for sure

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man

you really know nothing about bruce eh?

a good morning is a type of exercise for the back. bruce did the exercise (you put the barbel on your shoulders and bend from the waist till your stomach is horizantal to the floor, then you come back up.) with his own body weight! this was incredible yet very stupid. you only need the actual barbel itself for this exercise to get awesome results, but bruce pushed himself and he was doing 135 pounds of it, bent from the waist, and heard a POP or whatever, and severely hurt his nerves and shit in his BACK NOT HEAD.

it doesn't matter how strong or how much training you have, your not invincible. you say your good, yet you hurt your hand punching a board. same thing goes to him. he learnt from his mistake and became an even better martial artist after the six month period of which he was bed ridden. i'm not saying jeet kune do is the best style, cause i think MMA is better.

bruce wouldn't hide the fact that he lost a fight, he accepted defeat. and your little hung gar thing was probably a rumor, cause there is no records of him not training for six months except when he hurt his back.

his brain problems, were just headaches due to stress and what not. he died from hyper sensitivity to a perscription headache pill.

anyways, wing chun isn't that good, thats why bruce left. its unpractical and unrealistic. thats why no good fighters are in wing chun. lol. don't you see? there are no kung fu warriors in the UFC cause they would all get their asses kicked.

you see all the time in the UFC, these 2nd degree black belts in whatever style getting there ass kicked by a simple wrestler. its pathetic.

bruce was a true martial artist regardless of what you think. your too attached to shaolin kung fu to open your eyes to a real martial art that would actually work in a fight.

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your own reflection

You never really did try and guess what this ment... It simply means that you will never accept the truth because your too set in your ways... If you don't see it then it don't excist!
the Hung-Gar is not a rumour, i may not have known about this morning thing... but i know about the fight... Kung-Fu kicked his arse. Wing Chun is a style that will work in a fight and on street! the reason he left was because Yipman kept things from him... he didn't leave because he thought it useless!
To say that i don't know anything about Bruce is a lie, admit i don't "know" him as well as you do, since you two were best pals (either that or you believe everything you read) But what i know about him is 100% correct.
true, i did hurt my hand punching a board, after hitting boards all night i made a simple mistake on one half as thick... i'll admit that because i can admit when i am wrong...
UFC is based on beating the crap out of eachother, 1 reason Kung-Fu fighters MAY not enter is because Kung-Fu is perfection... you can't reach perfection if you get the crap beaten out of you all the time... But a Traditional triad Kung-Fu Practishioner would be able to handle a UFc fighter anyday... omg, just like a traditional triad Kung-Fu fighter beat Bruce :O
The fact of the matter is that Shaolin Kung-Fu is a true martial art, almost every fighting style in the world originated in China, whether it be an idea to a whole set of moves... lets see.... kung-Fu has been around for thousands of years... where as UFC as been around for how long!? i think Kung-Fu as something over UFC there! thousands of years is plenty of time to figure out what works and what doesn't against any fighter!
Bruce didn't embrace that, he was to impatient and too overegotistical to realise this... You have to admit it, he was the fastest... but his speed was nothing against the combined styles of Crane and Tiger which make HUNG-GAR!! he fell to this style, and thats the truth! he got fucked up by Kung-Fu!
i will be fighting MMA students on the christmas Holidays... when i beat them... what are you going to say then? o shit... i already train with a MMA practishioner, i beat him a lot (never flawlessly)... so i will go to another club and prove to you my Kung-Fu is enough to beat them... full contact if i have to... i'll turn every one of their attacks into an attack on them!

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meh

whatever, if he lost, he lost. everyone losses. i still don't believe that he wasn't able to train for 6 months, etc. i'm not blinded by any false truth. i've been in kung fu and if trained with and seen shaolin monks.

i've read pretty much every bruce lee book that he wrote, and i just stumbled across this today, bruce said, i stopped training in wing chun because i feel that jeet kune do has more to offer.

once again, for bruce's weight and size, he in my opinion was the best fighter the world had. probably still the best fighter of his weight category.

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believe it

Well believe it because it was true that he couldn't train for 6 months after kung-fu beat him...
I don't belive that he stopped wing chun because Jeet Kune Do had more to offer him (not the major reason anyway). My Master was telling me that he left Yipman because Yipman wouldn't teach Bruce was Bruce wasn't ready for yet... So the statement that he left because something else had more to offer (and since its written by him) could very well be him covering up/not wanting to show any weakness. Bruce wanted to be the best... do you think the best are about to go and say where there weak points are and where they failed when they can cover it up?!
Since you've both seen and trained with the Shaolin Monks you should know how great they actually are... you've trained their style, you've trained with them yet you continue to give them and the style a bad name... you, just like Bruce, didn't embrace the style that would/could have taken you both so very far. just because you can learn forms much faster than others doesn't mean your a better fighter, forms arn't everything to my style... but forms have benefited me in everyway... and you said once you did 4 forms in one night... what level was that? because if it was anything near an advanced level down here you'd be bloody good... our forms take atleast 10 hours of work to master... anyone can learn a form straight off, but its also the technique they put into it...
Forms strengthen most parts of my body (especially when done under water (you want to do them very fast then as well)) The Traiditional training does the best for your body, the style is considered one of the most successful known (by that i mean all animals, not just the 5) yet... you still say it'll not work on the street, it won't work on MMA fighters and that its not a practical style of fighting.

How can you say all this when its not true? this just prooves that you lie to make your point correct

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i am not lying

i'm just simply speaking from experience in training both the styles.

i just think mma is better all around then shaolin kung fu.

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Five animals i respected your opinion until you said "i don't see how a morning work out can damage someones nerves... i study Psychology... if anyone else does.. pls explainit to me because i don't see how it can work... having your head belted the crap out of i can see how that may cause neurological damage..." firstly the nerves go around the body, neurological damage, nervous damage and psychological damage are all totally different.

nearological affects the physical side of your brain and can relate to having Cognitive problems, and create brain damage which affects the brains ability to send and recieve messages. Psychological problems either develope from abuse, or are brought on by a disease, or cromasone abnormality. nerve damage affects the nerve cells which go round the body, can affect movement, feelings, and reactions.

WHat he meant by a "good morning" wasn't a morning workout but an exercise called a good morning which if done improperly or without warm up can damage the spine.

I firmly disbelieve your theory about this Hung Gar fighter, load of rubbish I say.

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he didnt stop wing chun because he thought Jeet Kune Do had more, he stopped leanring it because he thought of it as an incomplete system, as it is all hands, however he kept training in it.

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well...

I have since been informed what the Good Morning is thanks... I know the difference between al the neurlogical proterties in the body etc... I just don't see doing this exercise will cause since... coz hitting damaging anerve like that in your back or neck or anywhere really is really hard, and often never done... you have to be very unfortunate... nice to know i loose peopels respect over this theory...
On of the reasons he left wing chun, if not the main or only reason, was because Yipman wouldn't teach him what he wasn't ready for... simple, Bruce got impatient and left and developed his own style
The Hung-Gar story is true, just because its something that you havn't heard before, or sounds different to what you usually hear about Bruce, doesn't mean its automatically false! Bruce was beaten by the 'impractical' kung-fu

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the real thing

I have been doing a little reserch and have found out that JACKIE CHAN CAN REALLY KICK ASS! this is what i found." "At a welcome party In Portland, Oregon, a male approached and asked for a duel . Being a guest at the party I refused his request. This guy, rather cunning, was seemingly disappionted and wanted to shake my hand goodbye. Once our hands grasped I could feel his seizing force and I knew I was trapped. I immediately moved my legs into a defensive position. In fact that guy was pretty strong with his grasp. I gripped his viens to lower the blood circulation, and his force gradually turned weak. While I was about to free my palm I saw him raising his left fist. I instantly grasped his thumb and commanded his wrist. At that point he could make no move."

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lol

wow, big deal.

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All these guys in the battle royal suck. It'd just end up being one big tickle fight.

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